How can a fighter beat a lb4lb number one and not become lb4lb champ?!

So I guess if the New Jersey Nets beat the Cavaliers then they are the best team in the NBA, right?atsch

 

:yep

 

Between fans' obsession with p4p rankings and lineal championships, there is way too much emphasis on "to be the man, you've got to beat the man" logic.

That attitude belongs where the phrase was coined...in pro wrestling.

Boxing fans are supposed to be a more mature and intelligent breed.

There are a whole lot more nuances in this real, non-scripted sport to determining who is the greatest fighter proportionate to their size than one single win.

It's not like The Highlander, where you absorb all of somebody's power by vanquishing them.

Carlos Baldomir was never the "best" welterweight. He was an unlikely Cinderalla man lineal champ. Good for him. At no point in time was he ever the best welterweight in the world.

 

Yes, it is a list of comparisons with the assumptions that they would never face each other because of weight limitations.

The way I see it P4P= skill set, quality opposition, win ratio, risk

If a guy who had floyd mayweather's number beat floyd or let's say pac but did not necessarily have the same stylistic advantages over the rest of his peers than he can in no way become #1 p4p.

 

Here's a good example.

Lets say Pac did a bum-of-the-month type deal and fought Collazo and add to that, by some miracle, Collazo scores a great ko.

Does Collazo automatically move above Mayweather?

 

You are from London, but I am guessing english is still your second language>>


The point was not that if Pac moved up and lost to Pavlik, he would lose his crown. The point was made counter to that fact.

Reread it real slowly. It was posed as a question. A rhetorical one at that.

Everything I posted was consistent from the beginning. Everyone else understands that. Why can't you?


You do seriously come across as some one who has no idea what boxing is about. And now you have come across as someone with very little to no ability to read and comprehend english.


One last time, and maybe you can have your mom explain this to you...


Moving up out of your natural weight (Ie the Pavlik-Pacquaio example) and losing would not make the fighter that beat you the number one pound for pound, nor would it necessarily mean you would lose the mythical title. However moving up out of your natural weight and beating a good fighter would greatly enhance your pound for pound reputation.


Damn newbies coming on this site and don't know ****.........


Keith

 

Simple, it's not some belt you pass around. Guys WORK their way up to that status. One win should not make you #1. It's something you earn by your body of work. You are getting a lot of good answers here. Please listen.

 

Even Lance is agreeing here. That means everybody gets it, except you Watson.

J/k Lance......:good


Keith

 

:huh HUh? Me confused

 

Fighters can change their weight, but not how they're built. Pac has a small structure. He is 5'6, which is small even for 147lbs. Of course Pavlik would destroy him if he went up to 160. But with all things being equal (which is my interpretation of P4P), say make him 5'10 and 160lbs, and Pac wipes the floor with Pavlik.

 

Damn Philla!! That was the point I was just about to make!!!

Imo Philla's post sums it up perfectly (For me, anyway).

 

:good I guess the guy is "At the wind up" Lance!