How can American fans rate Tavoris Cloud, at this time in his career?

im no fan but i hope he fights the hop pascal winner so we have unification

 

You're really stretching it on Abron. I know you need to stay in character, but DeAndrey Abron sucks.

 

He seems like a decent fighter but he wont ever be a p4p candidate material one and from what i have seen should feast on brawlers and aggresive fighters also.

Cloud vs pavlik anyone?

 

He's lost four in a row to not so great competition since fighting Erdei. He lost to a fighter with a losing record before Erdei. He's never beaten anyone I've even heard of before, and I like to keep up on these kinds of things. The one guy he beat who had a decent record on paper was knocked out by Peter Manfredo. And I've seen both guys fight before, and it's pretty patently obvious which one is better.

Unless he's completely shot, a fat, old Zuniga (who at least has been competitive with some good fighters in the past and has beaten a few decent ones) is better than DeAndrey Abron.

 

Making a bunch of atsch and doesn't really give you any more clout in this discussion, it actually makes you look like a complete joke. Don't get mad at me because you can't see how guys like Cloud and Johnson are rare nowadays in boxing.

 

Oh c'mon, don't give me that "Erdei ruined Abron" bull****. Jabbing Abron for 12 rounds didn't ruin him. Abron sucks and always did suck. He's a nobody. Universum intentionally found Erdei the worst defenses possible outside of his mandatories, just like they do with all their fighters. Erdei even publicly complained about it. It's the reason so many fighters have left Universum lately (Sturm, Dzinziruk, Golovkin, Erdei, Kotelnik, etc.).

Zuniga's a crappy title defense, but no worse than Abron, natural at the weight or not. Zuniga was plenty competitive at SMW, other than the Bute fight. I know the scores were wide, but he fought nearly dead even with Denis Inkin who was a titlist at the time. Saying it wasn't competitive would be like me saying Kotelnik-Alexander wasn't competitive, even though everyone but the judges and Hurrold Lederman had Kotelnik winning that fight.

 

if i ever met this jackass, i would crack his head open like a boiled egg and dip my fists into the yoke dripping out of the fragile holes in his head :deal

 

Ok jackie chan.

 

:rofl:rofl Headgiver aint gonna do ****!