How can anybody feel that Jones was greater than Mayweather?

How can he be miles ahead resume wise, and skill wise?

Fighting 50 times, across five weight classes until 35, is longevity.

 

How is he a level above with a deeper resume, all things taken into consideration?

 

the hilarious thing is if Roy fought even half the fighters that were available to him that he avoided this wouldn't even be a discussion. But, since he was scared of getting that Glass Jaw shattered he wouldn't fight them and he is reduced to having idiots like Loudon defending him and he doesn't even know Boxing. Such a sad state of affairs for Roy these days. :rofl

 

******?

Ray was losing to the likes of Harrington, Hernandez and Ayon towards the end.

It's happened to lots of greats down the years, and nobody knows if it will happen to Floyd.

If he wins all of the remaining fights of his contract, he'll be 49-0.

Now you know that Floyd's ego won't let him retire at 49-0.

He'd want to beat Marciano's record, and I think we can both agree on that.

Not unless he's going to count his won over the Big Show?

So he'll definitely fight on, and he could be 39 at that point.

 

People saying Floyd is way ahead, makes me question if they were watching boxing when Jones Jr was in his prime.

 

Ha!

He'd have needed to have fought over a 100 times to satisfy the likes of you.

I looked at an old thread the other day that you were part of, where Roy was getting criticised for not fighting Nardiello, Ray Close and Victor Cordorba.


List all of the guys he missed, and see if they were either:

1. Better fighters than Hopkins and Toney.

2. Were they bigger challengers than him fighting Ruiz at HW, at 34, after 50 fights, and then dropping straight back for Tarver afterwards?


The answers would be interesting if you were unbiased and objective.

 

He can't possibly be way ahead.

Neither fighter could be way ahead.

Not when you've taken everything into consideration.

 

It isn't a 'record' it is only meaningful at Heavyweight. :rofl

 

That is all Roy has. A win over Hopkins way back in 1993 and a win over a guy that couldn't even beat Drake Thadzi and like Roy is a convicted steroid cheat whose career is littered with wins over no names and bums for long periods of time.

It is 2 names from 1993 and 1994 that were both boring fights especially the Hopkins fight. Even then Hopkins avenged the loss.

When you have to name John Ruiz is one of your best wins your resume is **** atsch

 

No it isn't.

It's held in higher regard at HW, but Floyd won't retire at 49-0 if he gets there. No chance!

 

Here you are again, with your biased hatred.

You haven't even answered the questions, and have had to imply that both fights were boring.

That's pure desperation on your part.

He beat Hopkins with a fractured hand, and Hopkins didn't lose for another 12 years.


Toney fought Thadzi AFTER Roy.

Why don't you tell it like it was in 1994.

Toney was 26 years old, was undefeated, and was classed as one of the best fighters in the world.

That's a fact!

He'd beaten Michael Nunn, Reggie Johnson, Mike McCallum, Tim Littles and Iran Barkley.


Here we are again with the Ruiz fight.


It's you who says that Roy was glass jawed.

He started out a 154 pounds.


He fought Ruiz who weighed 220 pounds, coming off of recent wins against Evander Holyfield, and he was 34, and he'd had 50 fights.


Yet it's not a great achievement?


It's not a great achievement for a 34 year old LHW, to go up and DOMINATE a top 5 HW, after 50 fights?


You're embarrassing yourself!


Every time we have this debate, I ask you for a list of all the other 34 year old LHW's that have gone up and defeated a top 5 HW.


It's funny how you can never come back with a list.


Who today at SMW and LHW, looks as though they're going to go up and fight ANY HW??


If it was so easy, then more fighters would have done it.


It's been 10 years since Roy beat Ruiz.

 

This post is embarrassing.

1. Getting put down by Del Valle means what exactly? Did Virgil Hill have a weak chin?

2. How was he on his way to getting KO'ed by Griffin when he scored the only two KD's of the fight and was coming on? Fantasy?

3. What Big Roy said would matter if he hadn't stopped training Roy well before he fought for a title.

Embarrassing.

 

:thumbsup

Nows that's how you own someone!

 

How the hell could anyone call Jones-Toney boring??? That was a comlete masterclass performance of the highest order...

At the time, the fight was billed as two undefeated MW greats clashing head to head..

Roy was the underdog, there were questions as if Roy could handle Toney's punching power.. Midway through the fight, the announcers said they were impressed with Roy's ability to take Toney's power shots.. FACT...

Rico's glass jaw revisionist theory is flawed.. We have factual evidence that suggests otherwise.. If Roy's jaw was indeed glass, he would have been ended in round 5, when Toney cracks him with a big counter shot...

Not enjoying Jones-Toney makes me question anyones love of the sport.

Mayweather has no single win even close to Jones over Toney. The only possible opponent that was regarded as high as Toney was Prime Pac... Floyd missed him..

 

Comes down to how you judge a resume I guess - people will attach more weight to the qualities they most admire in a resume and obviously those qualities will vary from fan to fan.

The strengths (and weaknesses) of Floyd's and Roy's resumes are pretty obvious so I suppose you can see what those saying Floyd is greater value in a resume and vice versa for Roy.

I also happen to think that those who rate Roy higher tend to over play the strengths of his resume and over look the weak points of it.

For example getting knocked out multiple times dents your greatness in my book no matter when it happens. Roy's fans just seem to brush it off as him being post prime and coming down in weight so it doesn't count somehow. Unless a fighter is completely shot (as in has no business being in the ring shot) I think their losses should count against them because you sure as hell know that a post prime win would be heralded. Can't have it both ways for me.

The whole going up to HW to win a title sounds great and all and I'm not dismissing it as an achievement but it has to be qualified. It was one fight against John Ruiz...If Roy had campaigned at HW for a bit and got some good wins in then it would have boosted his resume a lot for me. I just think Ruiz was a paper champ who couldn't have been more suited for Roy (as far as HWs go).

I also happen to think that Toney gets a bit overrated on here so I don't rate that win for Roy as highly as some others (despite obviously being a very good win). So there's an element of how highly you rate the fighters on their respective resumes - which is going to vary greatly fan to fan.