How can anybody feel that Jones was greater than Mayweather?

FutureChampGG,

Good post, and you've made some great points. Like I mentioned in a previous post, it would take a long time to do an unbiased and objective break down, allowing for various circumstances, and taking lots of things into consideration.

Of course. But I just don't see how any fighter can be way ahead of the other one.

Possibly, but I try to be objective. I think he's got a better resume than he's given credit for, especially if you look at what his opponents had done before and after they'd fought him.

I can see where you're coming from, but again you need to take certain things into account. They can't be ignored, but the fighters who he lost to, couldn't have beaten him on his best day. That's my honest opinion. Glen Johnson knocked him cold, and then lost to Woods for example. When Roy fought Calzaghe, it was four years after the knockouts to Tarver and Johnson, and he hadn't won at elite level for 5 years. Roy had fought 50 times before his first official loss, and he was 35, and had been to HW and back within 9 months. As it stands, Floyd has fought 44 times, under different circumstances. So Roy had fought 6 more times, before the wheels came off. My opinion of Roy wouldn't really change that much, if he'd have retired after Ruiz. A lot of people say that he's destroying his legacy. But my thoughts are, you can't undo what's already being done. Nobody remembers Roberto Duran losing to Omar Gonzalez at 49. I honestly believe that Floyd will keep fighting into his 40's and will eventually lose past his best.

But your opinion shows how great Roy was, for you to think that Ruiz couldn't have been more suited. No HW in history should be tailor made for a 34 year old LHW who's had 50 fights. Ruiz wasn't great, but he was an effective legitimate top 5 HW.

Would Floyd fight at 160-168, and then drop down back to 147-154? And if he did, within an 8 month period, then what sort of shape would he be in? You have to remember that in 2002-2003, Roy looked the unbeatable fighter that Floyd is today.

In 1994, James was classed as the 2nd best fighter in the world. He was 26, undefeated, and had beaten Nunn, Johnson, Littles, McCallum and Barkley. I know he had weight troubles, but I personally don't think it would have made any difference, and the fact that the biggest mouth in boxing never talked about a rematch directly after the loss, speaks volumes to me.

But with the weight issue, I can understand how people don't rate it as high as others.

It's the same with the Hopkins win. People say that he was young, and got a lot better. But he was 28, Roy had a fractured hand, and Hopkins didn't lose for another 12 years.

That's why you have to take a whole lot of things into consideration.

It's the same with Floyd. He's got Mosley, Oscar and Marquez on his resume.

But Oscar was 34, had only fought twice in three years, and retired the following year. Yet he pushed Floyd all the way. Shane nearly got beat by Mayorga until a last second knockout. He had that great win over Marg, but I've read that Marg had a terrible camp for that fight. Then after Shane had lost to Floyd, he could only draw with Mora. He was past his best when he fought Floyd.

Then there's the whole weight issue with Marquez, and the close Castillo fight.


So again, you need to take a lot of things into consideration.


So I don't see how either fighter, could be clearly ahead of the other.

 

Who's the last guy MW brutally KO ed ? Ortiz off a sucker punch ? Please MW would't do **** ..

 

So Roy at 35, after fighting across five weight classes, with 50 fights on his resume, was AT HIS BEST?

You're a f***ing joke!

You think it would have been unfair for Joe to have fought regularly at LHW, but won't give Roy credit for fighting at HW?

How's your thread coming along?

Oh yeah I've just remembered, you won't start it, for fear of getting laughed at!

 

Yeah right!

They were real retirements weren't they?

Nobody thought he was going to comeback, right?

Do me a favour!

They were breaks, at how old?

 

After having more fights and going to HW and back.

So what?

By your logic, Floyd must be a better fighter than SRR and SRL then?

 

Haha!

 

The 154 pound Jones Jr. from early in his career, would beat the **** out of Mayweather, Canelo, and De La Hoya at 154, and he hadn't even matured yet as a fighter.

 

Mayweather is a lot more technically sound.

but prime for prime and pound for pound, I would choose Roy over Floyd. His combination of speed, power, and reflexes are a step above Floyd's. Legit KO power in both hands at 154-168. Not to mention, Jones was a pretty smart fighter as well. He can adjust along with Floyd.

 

Good post..

But I would like to mention he had legit KO power in either hand all the way up to 175.. Where he knocked out hall of famer Virgil Hill with a right to the body, and undefeated world champ Montel Griffin with a leaping left hook/ uppercut.

Both single shots.

Not to mention he carried it up to HW, and had Ruiz wobbling for a bit...

I know a lot of it had to do with his insane speed and accuracy.. But I rate Jones Jr very highly in P4P punching power... Speed and accuracy creates power.

Some of the angles and distance Roy found his power were unlike anything I have seen though.. Sometimes he was most powerful with his feet off the canvass... Crazy.

 

that's true, he still had POWER even at 175..i don't think it was as devastating as it was in the lower weights though.

that punch he hit Hill with would have KO'd anyone at any weight...broken ribs = broken ribs and you're ass is done!
and the griffin one was a one off KO punch at that weight. either way, he had enough power to make you worry

edit: to go a bit further...Zab Judah was athletically Floyd's equal and you saw the success he had early on until Floyd was able to adjust and change up the tempo. Floyd started walking him down with a high guard and exerting pressure. Roy would have been able to adjust with Floyd. Would have been a fun chess match.

 

If Jones and Mayweather were somehow the same size, I think it would look a bit like Jones-Toney...

I don't think Mayweather would have too much of an answer to Roy leaping in and out, picking his spots... I actually think prime Roy would be one of the perfect styles to beat Floyd along with Hearns or Forrest...

Toney had an iron chin though.. I don't think Floyd does, the best version of Roy would expose that IMO.

 

I don't understand why Mayweather gets the label and "iron" chinned warrior...


He has a good chin for sure... But how many times have we seen him hit with huge bombs he didn't see coming? Or wasn't moving with the punch a little?

Even the Mosley shots he seemed to be bracing for....

He can be knocked out... I have no doubt. As can everyone...

yes fighters have glass jaws and obvious punch resistance issues... but every human being can be knocked out, just because it didn't happen , doesn't mean it isn't possible.

Hell, I saw Vitali laid out by a kick... So obviously a hard enough punch at the wrong time could get him too...

 

A young Jones Jr. fought a couple fights at 154, he would beat the **** out of Mayweather.

 

The version that whipped Hopkins at 160, Mayweather would go no where near...

If Pac was scary, Jones would have been a horror flick.:yep


Jones would knock him out.... But it is not really all that fair of a comparison... We are comparing Floyd to a man that moved up and won a belt at Hw..

It speaks volumes of both of their ability that people hold them to these standards..