How can anybody say Floyd never wanted Pacquiao Warning common sense here

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  1. Leonit

    Leonit Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    a small professional cyclist take about 8000 calories during a day of competition. When you train like crazy you burn a crazy amount of energy so your comment is irrelevant. That said I believe that most of the boxers are on some kind of peds. It's a sport that your life is on the line and the control is very bad
     
  2. Bazooka

    Bazooka Pimp C Wants 2 Be Me Full Member

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    its also a sport that can make you millions of dollars, and who wouldnt consider using an extra little something to keep that type of lifestyle?
     
  3. bandeedo

    bandeedo Loyal Member Full Member

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    could you prove me any more correct? surely you could have come up with something better from your research than "you hate floyd". you didnt need the pi work to know that. i hate floyd and i am not apologetic about it. he is a pos human being and im not about to pretend he isnt. i dont lie about him, though. i dont make up bull**** to make him look bad. i ackwnowledge the good and bad in him like i do every other boxer i comment on. you would know that if you had the balls to post the truth about what you read in my posts.
    crossburning? did you really have to pick that alley to run to? are you that desperate for a way out that you have to play the race card? you are even a bigger ***** than i originally thought. i thought homeboys from cali had more pride than that.
     
  4. Bazooka

    Bazooka Pimp C Wants 2 Be Me Full Member

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    Lets see, you talk **** about him voice your opinion on **** he has done, but yet chances are you have done hit a woman yourself, chances are you have made some bad choices in your life... reality is you havent the balls to admit as much.
     
  5. bandeedo

    bandeedo Loyal Member Full Member

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    difference is, i can find dozens of articles and videos that prove my point of view while you are steadily making up **** about a guy you know nothing about. i have no problem admitting all the mistakes ive made (and there have been many), because that is not the person i am today. besides, you are the last eunich to be talking about balls to me when you have been talking nothing but made up bull**** that you wish was true. you are a panocha.
     
  6. Bazooka

    Bazooka Pimp C Wants 2 Be Me Full Member

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    We have proof for Mayweathers side to and your point is what? Again who ended negotiations lets just start there? lets see how far this can go on a real basis, **** the trash talk lets start one step at a time...
    Who is responsible for the 1st round comming to an end?
     
  7. bandeedo

    bandeedo Loyal Member Full Member

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    from my understanding (because no one really knows except the parties involved), floyd walked out of negotiations when pac refused to comply with the cut off date that floyd wanted. if i am wrong about this, school me.
     
  8. s1nn3d

    s1nn3d Sinner Full Member

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    I'm not out here to defend Pacquiao. I'm just here to answer your question, How can anybody say Floyd never wanted Pacquiao?

    And the way you are responding by deflecting the topic to Pacquiao let alone cutting out my last sentence to put your response seemingly into context, only proves my point.

    But to give you some indulgence.

    I said, if a boxer really wants to fight someone, he won't ask for any special demands. Given that, you try to imply and equate that to Manny's catchweight demands vis a vis Floyd's demand for special drug test.

    Sorry to spoil your party but you can't do that. Doing that is fallacious. Yes, it is a special demand but:

    Did said catchweight stop any fight from happening in which such special demand was asked for? No.
    Did Pacquiao entered the ring and fought those bigger men after they accepted his demands? Yes.

    As compared to:

    Did Floyd's demand stop the fight with Pacquiao from happening? Yes.
    Did Floyd fight Pacquiao? No.

    Again, I'm not out here to defend Pacquiao. I'm just here refuting your proposition that Floyd really wanted to fight Pacquiao.
     
  9. Bazooka

    Bazooka Pimp C Wants 2 Be Me Full Member

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    The 1st round, was Mannys people... I dont even know if there was a 2nd round to be honest I knew Bob drew up a proposal and went to bring that contract over to the Philipines for Manny to sign.
    But the negotiations were ended cus pac didnt like the idea of testing.
    This is not just from the news, beleive me when I tell you this cus its the truth.
    We got Pacquiao involved with our dealership to do a co promotion to help out our philipino department, he did a few commercials for us etc...
    Konz if thats how you spell his name, told me directly that they ended negotiations becuase they felt that it would weaken pacquiao to test like that.
    He also told me that the nigerian goverment put up 100 Million dollars if they fought out there.
    However when they came back to shoot another commercial, Konz, stated that the commission sided with Pacs request of having a 21 day cut off, something like that, Floyd was willing to give a 14 day cut off, they didnt want it that close to the fight, so Floyd went back to his original request with no cut off limit.
    However let me ask you this question....
    How can anybody state Floyd didnt want this fight, when he was willing to bend in regards to the split purse, eventually gave in to a 14 day cutt off etc..?
    Now that bogus 100 Million dollar demand, there was no such demand, Floyd stated he could make a 100 Million off this fight, with his purse and PPV money, (I doubt he could make that but who knows if the PPV turns out which it should he could get close to that figure)

    Another question, Why would he offer Roach to have each pay Marquez step aside money? these are things that dont exactly spell out Floyd is running from Pacquiao...
    I dont think you can disagree with that, and if you do I wonder how?
     
  10. Bazooka

    Bazooka Pimp C Wants 2 Be Me Full Member

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    Do not take this as an insult, How long have you been following boxing? How long have you followed Mayweather? if its been a while lets say atleast 7 years then you would know the following.

    Floyd Never agrees to an even split purse (but did so negotiating with pac)

    Floyd orignally wanted testing up to the fight, Pacquiaos people asked for 30 day cut off, Floyd compromised and asked for a 14 day cut off.. (not the actions of a man who doesnt want the fight)

    Your questions here the two
    Did Floyds demand stop the fight with Pacquiao? No, pacs refusal to take the test ended negotiations meaning Pacs choice ended the fight.

    Did Manny take the test and fight Floyd? No~

    I am just saying that from what I have seen Floyd did everything he could to make this fight happen, why should he not insist on testing? when you have a trainer who has had fighters test postive why not insist? its a smart thing to do.
     
  11. bandeedo

    bandeedo Loyal Member Full Member

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    we can all make assumptions about what both sides secretely wanted behind closed doors. if i wanted to, i could pick and choose specific incidents that would paint mayweather as the one acting in good faith. the only reason i dont, is because i take into account the behavioural history of both fighters and that gives me a clue as to which version is most likely to be true. pac did not want to give in to 14 days so mayweather decided to end negotiations. he did not try and counter with a compromise like they had done up to that point. he just walked and blamed manny.
     
  12. puga_ni_nana

    puga_ni_nana Dempsey Roll Full Member

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    we never know but all floyd's actions so far has indicated that he never want to fight pac in the first place.

    1st negotiations: accused pacquiao of PEDs and started to demand OSDT. if you really are sincere on negotiations, you would not accuse your opponents of anything below the belt and makes a cop-out demand. first many people gave floyd the benefit of the doubt on this one because they thought floyd is just playing mind games to get the mental edge for the fight. as we saw, both parties could not settle a cut-off and it was only 10 days separating it.

    2nd negotiations: there was a media gag order because 1st negotiations turned out not to be fruitful. oscar would give a hint that negotiations are going well and the fight is almost settled. suddenly floyd took off, made a ranting video and announced the he would take his vacation. ellerbe and shaffer tried to damage control by saying there was no 2nd negotiations but greenburg denies it and says there was and the fight was almost settled.

    present: floyd still is currently retired. he had pulled this kind of strategy before when cotto was his toughest opponent back in 2008. now floyd retired when pac is his threat at the weight and we can see the pattern here.
     
  13. Bazooka

    Bazooka Pimp C Wants 2 Be Me Full Member

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    So your saying going from up to the day of the fight, and Giving Manny a 14 day out of the fight is not a compromise then? when manny requested a 30 day cut off?
    Thats meeting him in the middle what else do you want?
     
  14. bandeedo

    bandeedo Loyal Member Full Member

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    you fail to mention that 30 days was a compromise from manny. he didnt want any extra testing at all to begin negotiations. you cant leave out critical information like this when building your argument. it shows your bias.
     
  15. Bazooka

    Bazooka Pimp C Wants 2 Be Me Full Member

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    WRONG Cotto was not his toughest opponent back in 2008 it was the man who smashed Cotto, a man that Floyd already ducked atleast once. but that is meaningless now.

    Mayweather Sr did slander Manny your right, but at the time that the 1st round started, Floyd didnt accuse manny of ****, it wasnt until later, that he started making it known how he feels Via the Sushi video....

    and we dont know the exact reason for the gag order, there may be other reasons that the order was put in place... so lets not speculate on that we just dont know.
    What I do know is that I have never seen Floyd Mayweather Jr bend this much to make a fight happen, This is comming from a Mayweather hater, you dont get it... I DO NOT LIKE FLOYD, I am a fan of the sport, I just want to see this fight happen.