How can boxing decisions be improved?

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  1. Vano-Irons

    Vano-Irons Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Oh I thought they sat at the same table. :patsch
     
  2. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    The only way to do it is to have an independent regulatory body that would demote the judges for poor performance. Ya know, like every other job in the world.

    Unfortunately its very unlikely because I suspect there is a giant circle jerk of corruption going on and nobody is going to want to rock the boat.
     
  3. Grant1

    Grant1 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I reckon somebody responsible, GodOC, should take an average of all the scorecards in the ESB Brit Forum RbR and phone the result through.

    That's the only way to get some accuracy :deal
     
  4. Sai

    Sai Well-Known Member Full Member

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    For the big fights (ie great TV coverage), they shouldnt be in the arena to be influenced by the crowd. They should watch the whole round with no sound and feed cuts between rounds, so no replays.

    Add to that an instruction to score any round that looks pretty close as a draw, so the clear rounds count extra, and I think you are on to a winner.
     
  5. Claypole

    Claypole Boxing Addict banned

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    Oh, they sit at the same table alright, just not during the fight...
     
  6. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    Watching on TV and without sound is not actually a bad idea. Sounds a bit extreme, but I honestly believe there is less room for error if everyone watches from the same angle (which is usually the best possible angle) and the crowd do influence poor judges.
     
  7. Vano-Irons

    Vano-Irons Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Yup I'd agree the TV idea is a good one. Like T said, that way everyone gets the same angle. Crowds certainly influence the judges, it's hard not to when they go mad every time a punch is landed on the gloves
     
  8. Sai

    Sai Well-Known Member Full Member

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    That's it. Often times scorers at ringside are often poorly positioned to see some shots land, whereas TV footage will always find the best angle for action.

    The only problem you have then though, is that unscrupulous directors on the tv shows could deliberately hide one fighters work from the cameras.

    Unfortunately, scoring boxing is subjective, so there will always be bias however you do it.
     
  9. slip&counter

    slip&counter Gimme some X's and O's Full Member

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    1. Judges should be forced to hand in scorecards at the end of each round instead of the end of the fight. This would make things more transparent and tell us which judges were up to something. For example, there was a judge who gave Oscar the final round against Trinidad when Oscar hardly did ANYTHING. But he had Trinidad so far ahead he wanted to make it seem like he wasn't corrupt and made the scores closer.

    2. Someone else should be responsible for adding up the scores.

    3. Judges should be given monitors so they can see what everyone watching can see and they should perhaps be put in a sound proof box.
     
  10. GazOC

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    IMHO the scores posted in the RbRs are unnaturally close because everyone knows what the general concencious is of how the fight is going.
     
  11. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    I'd rather risk dodgy directors than handicapping the good judges. Lets be honest theres not a lot you can do about blatant corruption, they could score it from anywhere and it wouldn't matter, they filled the card in over their Cornflakes

    The only way that is solved is a complete overhaul of the way the sport works.
     
  12. GazOC

    GazOC Guest Star for Team Taff Full Member

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    All thats needed is to make judges accountable for their cards. Have a committee that looks at controversial decisions, if a judge is brought up before them and found guilty then suspend him or lower the level of fights he is allowed to work on.
     
  13. Grant1

    Grant1 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You know I wasn't serious, right?

    :yep
     
  14. Vano-Irons

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    ^^^^ agree Gaz. But I think all judges should have to have meetings to justify their scorecards, regardless of if the fight was controversial or not. Just seen on the General that the Lara - Williams fight is being invested as Round 11 was scores to Williams on 2 of the scorecards.
     
  15. slip&counter

    slip&counter Gimme some X's and O's Full Member

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    Lets face it, fellas. Nothing will change because the powers that be like the status quo. The flaws of the system suit them because that way they can keep being 'dodgy'. There's no real incentive for them to fix these flaws. It's up to the promoters and managers to get together and to be more firm in rejecting judges with 'reputations'.