How can Klitshcko's NOT be in the top 3 P4P?

That's just looking it at from the surface. Yes, good fight can me made, but at the same time, good fights are made at any level, amatuer, street, backyard... what we look at are the fighters themselves. Many overweight, many aren't as fundmentally adept as previous eras. And the fact that today, we've had former MW's challenge for the title (two, Jonoes and Toney...maybe Hopkins) , and now cruiserweights (which RARELY had success in other eras) tells us a lot about the division as a whole.

 

Anyone who has Vitali in their top 10 needs to pass me the **** they've been smoking. Wlad I understand, but Vitali's resume since coming out of retirement isn't particularly good.

 

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Granted many are overweight but there are those who are not overweight. An yes cruisers are challenging now but if you look at it...these cruisers are 200 lbs and move up to 220-225...they are the same weight as most HW champs ion history...it's a different type of boxer now...not better not worse..different. It will be rare to see a slugfest today (with most elite boxers) Unlike years ago...it has become an even more SWEET Science of hit without being hit...Say it's boring if you want...i call it boxing and the K bros do it so well everyone else looks bad. many of the guys competeing today would compete in any era...Before you crucify me...i said compete...not win. The K bros could win /compete with most anyone in history...

 

But all the boxers you mentioned havent fight Klitschkos yet. So I would say that this division has the potential, but some fighters there dont have enough balls to step up. However its definitely better now than it was few years ago, while belt holders were: Ruiz, Rahman, Maskaev, Brewster and Peter.

 

The reason why Klitshkcko (I'm speaking of Wlad here) is not top 3 P4P depends on how you define P4P. P4P means that is both boxers were the same size who would be the best now look at the top 10 in The Rings P4P who on that list do you think if they were the same size as Wlad would Wlad have a shot at beating.

1. Pacman-no
2. PBF-no
3. Juan Manuel Marquez-no
4. Nonito Danier-no
5. Paul Williams-no
6. Sergio Martinez-no
7. WonJonkam-no
8. Montiel-I'll give this one to Wlad
9. Wlad-NA
10. Bradley-no

Seriously you can make a case that he wouldn't be able to defeat 8 of the 9 guys in the p4p list if they were on the same playing field. Now the reason why Wlad is in the top 10 p4p has to be based on accomplishment. Due to his accomplishments I see him at #9 as a good spot. But even taking into account accomplishment you still can't make a case for him being top 3 due to the weakness of his opposition.

 

Interesting you brought up now cruiserweights because it is not far fetched to suggest that a certain former cruiserweight champion and a current heavyweight titlist might in the next year be considered the best in the game.

 

So has Paul Williams and many think he should be in top 3. Let me guess, you are a black - american, right?

 

Do you rank p4p fighters only on resume?

 

That's because he beat everybody else that's willing to fight him, not because there isn't any talent in the division.

 

Exactly.. I have Wlad number 3 or 4.. Vitali could make it possibly... in the top ten

 

this is exactly why i consider klitschko nuthuggers the worse fanbase in the sport, even worse than *******s and *****s IMO. they claim that if the klits were black we wouldnt be saying half the stuff were saying about them. well double standards are a *****, by saying such things you probably wouldnt be fans of them if THEY were black. would you still be onboard the klitschko bandwagon if they were born with a darker shade??? its very hard to find a klitschko fan that admires their fighters skillset and dominance and not the pigmentation of their skin. just kind of lets you know most klitschko fans aren't real boxing fans, just neo-nazi's that are finally satisfifed they have dominant white HW champs to write home about. i truly feel sorry for the klitschko bro's, honorable great men and great fighters but have such racist pigs for a fanbase.:-(

 

Not only, but mostly on recent accomplishments.

Doesn't matter though. Shrink Vitali down to another weight class, and he gets his butt kicked by most of the best fighters in the division, IMO. Half the reason the Klitschkos are so good is because they have a size advantage over almost all of their opponents. They're big heavyweights, pure and simple. Even shrink them down to the size of their opposition, and they can't use their greatest gifts, which are their reach advantages. It's POUND for POUND, not weight class for weight class, and if you have a 245 pound guy fighting 225 pound guys, then the fact he outweighs his opposition by 20 pounds on average means he should get a debit in a pound for pound list. That's why I only have Wlad around #7 or so instead of at #3.

But if I was going to rank guys on head to head more than actual accomplishments, it would just start looking silly. Then you could end up with guys like Gamboa, who hasn't really proven ****, up near the top of the list. Hypothetical head to head matchups are all just speculation. What guys have actually done in the ring is what matters.

Even on a pure head to head basis, I doubt I'd have Vitali in my top 20. Make him a welterweight, and he'd be an undersized fighter with a high workrate, average speed, decent power and a great chin. The fact that he no longer has a huge size and reach advantage would make him a simply above average fighter, not a great one. I don't take that into account when comparing him to other heavyweights, but it should be taken into account when comparing him to other weight classes.

 

He dominating the wrong fighters.
Mayweather got there by beating P4P fighters on the list luckliy they were in his class
There are no P4P fighters in his divsion to beat
so he gotta get on it the hard way, the hopkins path lol

 

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He should be at 3 or 4 imo