How can people debate who has the best resume????

Baldomir is Floyd's best accomplishment. Baldo is a huge welter compare to floyd.

 

Manny was a massive underdog becasue everyone assumed that DLH was going to come into the ring with a significant weight advantage. No one predicted that DLH would be the smaller man which ended up being the case.

 

It isn't even close anymore. I'm thinking of putting all the *****s on ignore at this point, they have nothing to stand on anymore yet they yap and yap

whatever happened to being real?

 

Good post but i think the Judah that floyd fought is a legit threat to anyone at welter even if he can't recently beat the best (see war w/ cotto, did ok w clottey and floyd), though he's not a HOF at this point as someone else wrote.

 

I don't even like Floyd, but that is asinine.

 

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Notable Wins:
Chatchai Sasakul (WBC FW Champion)
Lehlohonolo Ledwaba (IBF SBW Champion)
Jorge Eliecer Julio <Post-Prime>
Marco Antonio Barrera [x2] (future HOFer) <Late Prime in 1st , Over the hill in 2nd>
Hector Velazquez
Erik Morales [x2] (future HOFer) <Over the hill in both, but washed up in 2nd>
Oscar Larios
Jorge Solis <Undefeated>
Juan Manuel Marquez (WBC SF Champion, future HOFer)
David Diaz (WBC LW Champion)
Oscar De La Hoya (future HOFer) <Over the hill & Massively Underweight>
Ricky Hatton (Future HOFer) <Ring Magazine JWW Champion> <Post-Prime>
Miguel Cotto (Future HOFer) <WBO Welterweight Champion>

Notable Losses:
Medgoen Singsurat <Manny Pre-Prime>
Erik Morales I

Questionable Wins:
Juan Manuel Marquez II

*Solis has not beat anyone of significance, but he's also never lost to anyone besides Manny. In these situations I rate a guy B-.

Career Record: 50 wins (37 by way of KO), 3 losses (2 by KO), and 2 draws. 6 time world champion in 6 weight divisions. Defeated 6 future hall of famers, 3 of which were still prime.


'A' level wins:
Marco Antonio Barrera, Juan Manuel Marquez, Miguel Cotto
'A-' level wins:
Erik Morales I, Marco Antonio Barrera II

'B' level wins:
Chatchai Sasakul, Lehlohonolo Ledwaba, Erik Morales II, Oscar Larios, David Diaz, Oscar De La Hoya, Ricky Hatton

'B-' level wins:
Jorge Eliecer Julio, Hector Velazquez, Jorge Solis

Point Total: 6 + 2.25 + 6.5 + 1.5 &#8211; 4 = 12.25

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Notable Wins:
Genaro Hernandez (WBC SF Champion) <Post-Prime>
Angel Manfredy
Gregorio Vargas
Diego Corrales (Undefeated, future HOFer)
Carlos Hernandez
Jesus Chavez
Jose Luis Castillo [x2] (WBC LW Champion, future HOFer)
DeMarcus Corley
Arturo Gatti (WBC JWW Champion, future HOFer) <Over the hill>
Sharmba Mitchell <Over the hill>
Zab Judah (IBF WW Champion)
Carlos Baldomir (WBC & Ring WW Champion)
Oscar De La Hoya (WBC JMW Champion, future HOFer) <Post-Prime>
Ricky Hatton (Undefeated JWW Ring Champion, future HOFer)
Juan Miguel Marquez (future HOFer) <Post-Prime>

Questionable Wins:
Jose Luis Castillo I

Career Record: 40 wins, 26 KOs, no draws, and no defeats. 6 time world champion in 5 weight divisions. Defeated 6 future hall of famers, 3 of which were in their prime.


'A' level wins:
Diego Corrales, Jose Luis Castillo (x2)

'A-' level wins:
Zab Judah, Oscar De La Hoya, Ricky Hatton

'B' level wins:
Genaro Hernandez, Angel Manfredy, Jesus Chavez, DeMarcus Corley, Sharmba Mitchell, Carlos Baldomir, Juan Manuel Marquez

'B-' level wins:
Gregorio Vargas, Carlos Hernandez, Arturo Gatti

Point Total: 5 + 4.5 + 7 + 1.5 &#8211; 0 = 18

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Criteria:

Notable Wins:
Any wins over proven quality opposition (currently B- / B / A- / A rated at the time of the fight)


Notable Losses:
Losses that occurred during the near prime but pre-prime
Losses that occurred during the prime
Losses that occurred during the near prime but post-prime


Questionable Wins / Losses / Draws:
Any disputed victory or defeat regardless of prime status or quality of opposition

Notable NCs:
No-contests become notable for a fighter if he was clearly winning
Quality of opposition is relevant


Quality Points:
B- rated fighters are worth .5 points
B rated fighters are worth 1 point
A- rated fighters are worth 1.5 points
A rated fighters are worth 2 points
Repeat victories over an opponent are worth half the original point value
In the case of a notable NC half the appropriate point value is given


Detraction Points:
Prime losses by decision cost 2 points, pre / post cost 1 point
Prime losses by stoppage cost 4 points, pre / post cost 2 points
Repeat losses cost half the appropriate value

Basic Rules for Defining a Fighter's Credibility:
A fighter must have multiple wins over other credible opponents at some point in his career
Over the hill 'A' level fighters count as 'A- / B / B-' level depending on how great they still are
Post-Prime fighters can lose only half a grade at most
When a great fighter becomes reduced to below B- level performances, he is considered shot and a win over such a fighter is not counted
Exceptions can be made to the above stated rules, but will be noted
I define a credible opponent by the accomplishment of beating 2 or more other credible fighters. Losses are not taken into account when assessing if another fighter is credible, unless a win over such a fighter came in a period of which that fighter did nothing but lose. Exceptions can be made for a fighter's credibility (should he not have at least 2 credible wins) if he was a victim of close decision losses or drew with 'A' level opponents. Also, exceptions can also be made that an over the hill former 'A' level fighter merely reduces to A- in the case that he was really 'A+' level to begin with. Also, opponents who normally fought 1 full weight class below the class that the fight took place at, who were able to beat credible opposition in the higher weight class, are considered credible as well. If you doubt the legitness of any of the names you see on these resumes, I encourage you to challenge me on it. I don't know everything, and I do make mistakes and/or over look things. I'm open to suggestions about my placement of opponents in the A / A- / B / B- departments. Please don't think of these ratings like real grades, A- and B- merely mean between A and B and between B and C respectively. For my point evaluations I go strictly by the record, no subjectivity involved.

 

now thats a post i can believe in :good

 

Is this the same guy that said, "I'm not sure if they drug test the boxers"?

 

Floyd has fought hatton, DLH, marquez, judah, castillo, corrales and hernandez to name a few. Sounds pretty gud to me.

 

There is no way Floyd beating Hatton at 147 can be "A-" level and Manny beating Hatton at 140 can be "B" level. Hatton was not that far past prime. And given what he's done since, combined with coming off of a loss, there's a great argument that Floyd's win over Zab was "B' level also.

Also how does Manny lose 4 points? It looks like he should lose 2 to me.

 

Detraction Points:
Prime losses by decision cost 2 points, pre / post cost 1 point
Prime losses by stoppage cost 4 points, pre / post cost 2 points

If you bump Hatton up to an A- for Pac, you have to bump him up to an A for Mayweather. The bloom was off the rose by the time he fought Pac. At best it is a wash considering that Hatton wasn't fighting in his ideal weight vs Mayweather.

 

:huhatsch cant even be bothered

 

substance of a ***** :!:

 

I disagree, but I guess we are only splitting a half point anyhow.

Ah I see, he also loses points for the other losses. :good

 

Oh please do elaborate, this should be good.