How can u rank Floyd higher all-time p4p when Pac has better resume & achievements?

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  1. DINAMITA

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    You're a liar though. Keep at it. :good
     
  2. DINAMITA

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    From page 3 of this garbage:

    BadJuju still doesn't understand it 9 pages of dog**** later.

    Can someone else try explaining it to this tiresome moron??


    This post is enough for me to sign off happy. Good night gentlemen.
     
  3. BadJuju83

    BadJuju83 Bolivian Full Member

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    You really are this stupid.

    For the last time I am using YOUR criteria from the debates YOU were subjected to about YOUR list, debates I agreed with you on.

    But they didnt invovle Pac.


    When they do involve pac, suddenly it's only Resume and weight jumping that matter.


    I asked why?, using Roy-Hop and Oscar-Floyd as examples.

    And we get this ****.


    And suddenly I have Hop above Roy and YOU are waiting for an answer to the Oscar-Floyd question that i ****in asked!!!


    Are you insane or drunk?
     
  4. BadJuju83

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    This is the post i responded too. Not the Butcher's. It's all on Page 1, and it unfortunately carries on till here.
     
  5. DINAMITA

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    Are you so horrendously inbred that you still cannot read or comprehend this simple post:

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    Bill Butcher's post seemed to say that his main reason for ranking Mayweather higher was h2h/ability etc. Now stances like that I do not think have any place in an all-time pound-for-pound thread. Stances which take it into account as the minor factor that it is do though. I take it into account as a minor factor, but it would not be something I would cite as a reason in an all-time pound-for-pound discussion, unless it is in my eyes a deciding factor between two men I rank very very closely.

    Hopkins has a better resume than Jones, Jones has better weight-jumping feats than Hopkins. Because the peripheral factors (Jones beat a green Hopkins fair and square and Jones was IMO a superior fighter at his peak) go in Jones's favour, I go with Jones overall.

    Pacquiao has a better resume than Mayweather. Pacquiao has better weight-jumping feats than Mayweather. And they have never fought. No other factors are needed to take into account in this one.
     
  6. DINAMITA

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    I'm sorry I don't have the time or energy to write a gargantuan explanation to follow every single post, to justify it to bitchy lurkers like you.

    Next time I want to make a comment like:

    "I can't see how you can rank Floyd higher than Pac because Pac has a better resume and better feats of weight-jumping"

    I will follow it with the same footer I will attach to every post to stop brainless dogs like you slavering after me for an entire evening:


    "I arrived at this hypothesis by examining several key factors. Factor one was resume. Resume is a list of all the fighters that the boxer in question has ever fought. The second factor is achievements, such as number of titles won and number of weight divisions competed in. Now when these two factors go in one fighter's favour, there is no need to move on to further factors of peripheral importance...."


    I'll do that after each and every comment, and then you won't need to burst out crying at what you perceive to be (shock horror :admin) an inconsistency in the system of someone you don't know, when in fact it is merely that he didn't think he needed to set out an exhaustive criteria for every comment.

    H2H/ability can indeed be discounted in this case as I stated for the above reasons.



    Man, I can't wait till you grow enough balls to make your own threads! I'll be lurking and picking away just like you. ****ing moron.

    :hi:
     
  7. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    I hope you guys know you`ve just wasted about a 3rd of this thread.... some of it has been fun but ****in hell.
     
  8. DINAMITA

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    If that loser had accepted my perfectly full and sound explanation on page 3 instead of acting like a sour vagina all day we wouldn't have all had to be bored by this shite. I hate getting dragged into this bollocks. Maybe in future I'll stick to making threads about entrance music and therefore will not be able to be whined at for having opinions and making threads.
     
  9. Pro

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    How and the **** does Manny Pac rank higher than Floyd Mayweather....

    Not one fighter before Oscar Delahoya has Manny Pac fought could beat Zab Judah or Diego Corrales or a prime Castillo....not one.

    Not MAB...not Morales...not Marquez<<<<all of these guys made a name fighting and losing to each other....in war type fashion making you fans.

    Manny Pac's last two fights were against fighters Mayweather already beat....

    You haters stay in LaLa land. Manny still has much more to accomplish.

    But he won't because ya'll done pissed Floyd off.
     
  10. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    Yeah, I still got FMJ higher than Pacman, you have to look at the artistry & ease in which both guys win too, not just names on records & weight jumping, everything must be taklen on board.
     
  11. DINAMITA

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    Prime Marquez beats prime Corrales at sfw.

    Pac only had one fight at lw, so he hasn't fought enough there to have met a Castillo calibre.

    He has fought once at lww and once at ww, against Hatton and Oscar. Not as good as Zab 'Big Fight Loser' Judah, who was beaten by the mighty Baldomir? :lol:

    Barrera, Morales and Marquez were FAR greater fighters at their weights than Judah, Corrales and Castillo were at theirs you biased little man.
     
  12. DINAMITA

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    But your argument can just be turned the other way Bill.

    Look at Floyd's struggles with Augustus, Judah, Oscar and his loss to Castillo.

    Look at Manny's incredible performances in Barrera I, Morales II, Hatton and Oscar.

    Both men have had their struggles and both have had their amazing performances.

    Pac's displays against Barrera first time out and against Hatton are easily as impressive as anything Floyd has ever done, considering standard of opponent and standard of performance/dominance.
     
  13. BadJuju83

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    You're not the sharpest are you.

    I was not lurking to catch you out or any other nonsense. I agreed with your way of compiling ATG lists, where you had the A,Resume,B,Accomplishments and C, Skillset and H2H. I was surprised C had appeared to have ****ed off, and wondered why. You answered that if the first 2 went in the direction of 1 fighter you went no further. C had become some peripheral factor.

    I think that could lead to some ****ed up results. Results that you wouldnt agree with yourself. Heavyweights and fighters that stay in 1 division are at an immediate disadvantage.

    And therefore i think you would change your criteria again to suit whatever argument you were trying to make that day.


    I really cant be bothered pointing this out again and again so i'll end by using your "watertight" argument and your own words, but i will change the names to Joe Calzaghe and Ricardo Lopez.

    How can you rank Lopez higher all-time P4P when Calzaghe has better resume and achievement.


    Calzaghe has a better resume than Lopez. Calzaghe has better weight-jumping feats than Lopez. And they have never fought. No other factors are needed to take into account in this one.

    "I arrived at this hypothesis by examining several key factors. Factor one was resume. Resume is a list of all the fighters that the boxer in question has ever fought. The second factor is achievements, such as number of titles won and number of weight divisions competed in. Now when these two factors go in one fighter's favour, there is no need to move on to further factors of peripheral importance...."


    Maybe i didnt make myself this clear last night, but in my defense i was pretty drunk and you are an arrogant condescending *****. Bad combination
     
  14. BadJuju83

    BadJuju83 Bolivian Full Member

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    Yes it was me who was being ****ish up until page 3, it was me who left the debate to search past history to find something to be ****ish about. It was me who made something up and then acused you of lying about it.And it is me being ****ish now the day after. I peppered it all with an array of smilies to boot.

    You on the other hand are full of charm and wit.


    You didnt get dragged into anything you big queen.
     
  15. DINAMITA

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    Point 1 - Your lack of knowledge has let you down again, you rank amateur. Does Calzaghe have better feats of weight-jumping than Lopez?? Nope. Fail.

    Point 2 - I have the brain and balls to set out a system and make threads based on it. You do not have either.

    Point 3 - My system is indeed watertight, it works fine. It's not infallible, it's not science, but it does work. You have had it explained to you numerous times and simply refuse to accept it because that would mean admitting you were an angry little drunken knob for 9 pages.

    Point 4 - I do not respect people who try to pick apart the ideas and proposals of others, yet are not big enough to make any themselves. Therefore I do not respect you, drunk or sober.

    :good