How can u rank Floyd higher all-time p4p when Pac has better resume & achievements?

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  1. K I N G .

    K I N G . New Member Full Member

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    Some people might just base their opinion on ability and ignore the rest..
     
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  2. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    Top 10 or 15 at least for me.
     
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  3. asero

    asero Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    top 40...same level as hearns
     
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  4. Slothrop

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    Manny Pacquiao

    Notable Wins:
    Chatchai Sasakul (WBC FW Champion)
    Lehlohonolo Ledwaba (IBF SBW Champion)
    Jorge Eliecer Julio <Post-Prime>
    Marco Antonio Barrera [x2] (future HOFer) <Late Prime in 1st , Over the hill in 2nd>
    Hector Velazquez
    Erik Morales [x2] (future HOFer) <Over the hill in both, but washed up in 2nd>
    Oscar Larios
    Jorge Solis <Undefeated>
    Juan Manuel Marquez (WBC SF Champion, future HOFer)
    David Diaz (WBC LW Champion)
    Oscar De La Hoya (future HOFer) <Over the hill & Massively Underweight>
    Ricky Hatton (Future HOFer) <Ring Magazine JWW Champion> <Post-Prime>
    Notable Losses:
    Medgoen Singsurat <Manny Pre-Prime>
    Erik Morales I
    Questionable Wins:
    Juan Manuel Marquez II

    *Solis has not beat anyone of significance, but he's also never lost to anyone besides Manny. In these situations I rate a guy B-.

    Career Record: 49 wins (36 by way of KO), 3losses (2 by KO), and 2 draws. 6 time world champion in 6 weight divisions. Defeated 5 future hall of famers, 2 of which were still prime.

    'A' level wins:
    Marco Antonio Barrera, Juan Manuel Marquez
    'A-' level wins:
    Erik Morales I, Marco Antonio Barrera II
    'B' level wins:
    Chatchai Sasakul, Lehlohonolo Ledwaba, Erik Morales II, Oscar Larios, David Diaz, Oscar De La Hoya, Ricky Hatton
    'B-' level wins:
    Jorge Eliecer Julio, Hector Velazquez, Jorge Solis

    Point Total: 4 + 2.25 + 6.5 + 1.5 – 4 = 10.25

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    Floyd Mayweather Jr:

    Notable Wins:
    Genaro Hernandez (WBC SF Champion) <Post-Prime>
    Angel Manfredy
    Gregorio Vargas
    Diego Corrales (Undefeated, future HOFer)
    Carlos Hernandez
    Jesus Chavez
    Jose Luis Castillo [x2] (WBC LW Champion, future HOFer)
    DeMarcus Corley
    Arturo Gatti (WBC JWW Champion, future HOFer) <Over the hill>
    Sharmba Mitchell <Over the hill>
    Zab Judah (IBF WW Champion)
    Carlos Baldomir (WBC & Ring WW Champion)
    Oscar De La Hoya (WBC JMW Champion, future HOFer) <Post-Prime>
    Ricky Hatton (Undefeated JWW Ring Champion, future HOFer)
    Questionable Wins:
    Jose Luis Castillo I

    Career Record: 39 wins, 25 KOs, no draws, and no defeats. 6 time world champion in 5 weight divisions. Defeated 5 future hall of famers, 3 of which were in their prime.

    'A' level wins:
    Diego Corrales, Jose Luis Castillo (x2)
    'A-' level wins:
    Zab Judah, Oscar De La Hoya, Ricky Hatton
    'B' level wins:
    Genaro Hernandez, Angel Manfredy, Jesus Chavez, DeMarcus Corley, Sharmba Mitchell, Carlos Baldomir
    'B-' level wins:
    Gregorio Vargas, Carlos Hernandez, Arturo Gatti
    Point Total: 5 + 4.5 + 6 + 1.5 – 0 = 17
     
    Slothrop, May 4, 2009
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  5. DINAMITA

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    I dunno why you have such a hard-on for me today, but since you're in the mood for being a ***** so am I, and knock it out of the park I shall, simply by saying that my description for how I arrive at the conclusion that Jones should be ranked higher than Hopkins and Pacquiao ranked above Mayweather is the same process I use for every comparison. It's a balancing act. You weigh up each factor, with more weight given to resume and achievement, and h2h and ability as peripheral factors. At the end of the process, you have a definite answer that you can back up when questioned. A decision based mainly on h2h/ability is a decision grounded in fantasy. If you want to question me further, continue to do so smartass.
     
    DINAMITA, May 4, 2009
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  6. DINAMITA

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    :lol: What a waste of time. Load of old bollocks.

    Zab Judah was a better win for Floyd than Hatton was for Manny?! Log off and sober up. :hi:
     
    DINAMITA, May 4, 2009
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  7. Slothrop

    Slothrop Boxing Junkie banned

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    I actually didn't type that. Pulled it off another forum. Feel free to pwn the **** out of it.
     
    Slothrop, May 4, 2009
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  8. DINAMITA

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    Of course Pac has fought better comp than Mayweather. Almost every Mayweather fan on this forum has acknowledged this in the last few days.

    And by the way, I remember you saying you would admit Pacquiao was p4p#1 if he beat Hatton. Are you going to admit it now, or am I going to have to go hunting for that post??
     
    DINAMITA, May 4, 2009
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  9. DINAMITA

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    You shouldn't put your name to that mate, it's ****ing ****.
     
    DINAMITA, May 4, 2009
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  10. NALLEGE

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    This was one of the most superbly written posts I've read in a long time lol...:good
     
    NALLEGE, May 4, 2009
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  11. DINAMITA

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    Why was Hatton damaged? Did he look damaged when he beat Malignaggi more convincingly than Cotto did, and everyone was saying Mayweather Sr had turned him into a better all-round fighter??
     
    DINAMITA, May 4, 2009
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  12. Slothrop

    Slothrop Boxing Junkie banned

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    You're right. But I bet it makes for some good responses.
     
    Slothrop, May 4, 2009
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  13. buckdacious

    buckdacious Sin~City punks!!! Full Member

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    I would say Pacquiao but the only way to really settle it is when they fight. A Pacquiao-Mayweather fight would be best p4p and best fighter of this era with RJJ and Hopkins 3 and 4
     
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  14. DINAMITA

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    DINAMITA, May 4, 2009
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  15. NALLEGE

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    You don't remember jack lol. any fan who admits that Pac fought better comp than floyd isn't a fan of boxing let alone a Floyd fan because that means that they have not done their homework. Now you go looking for that post you think you remember that I wrote lol. I know exactly what I wrote, and what post you are confused about lol...
     
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