How can u rank Floyd higher all-time p4p when Pac has better resume & achievements?

Oscar and Floyd?

You took the resume and achievement of Oscar,said it was superior, then went with Floyd anyway. Peripheral factors seemed to win the day on that one didnt it. Or is it like i suggest and just whatever suits your argument on any given day you decide to give more weight too. How about Finitio and Calzaghe. Or Floyd and Barrera?. Or Hagler and Morales?. Only resume and weight jumping are important remember. The rest is periphial and make believe conjecture.

Tell me, if Floyd had a better resume than Pac, would you have narrowed it down to just resume as you did, or would you have opened it back up again to skillset,performance at the weights,H2H ability against other ATG's or P4P'ers etc etc. Of course not, Pac doesnt beat Floyd at those. Silly question.


And no, I dont have a hard on. Just dont appreciate a simple question being answered by atsch,watertight,Fail,knocking out of park or any other of your arrogant, childish but baseless boasts. Mate.


You change your criteria and argument to suit your particular point.

I asked, without being a ****, or drawing attention to your many contradictions, Why you had changed your criteria you had for a very good P4P list you had written. You gave me a atsch.

 

I think Pacquiao has the #1 Pound for Pound thing in the bag easily. I felt that way before the Hatton victory. Funny thing, I can remember these Manny #1 pound for pound arguments two years ago. If it was close then, it isn't any more. But Floyd fans will always raise the bar.

If you analyze both careers with the same critical eye, Manny will always win the comparisons. You have to use a different criteria and less critical eye to make Floyd come up on top then switch back to harsh judgement for Manny.



This does not mean that I think Manny will beat Floyd. Or that I don't. It really isn't relevant to the argument for this discussion.

You have to consider who they fought how they performed when they fought and also when they fought them. You also need to consider their respective sizes.

A Floyd victory over Pacquiao means about 50% of what a Manny victory over Floyd would mean, due to their natural size differences.

 

Manny Pacquiao

Notable Wins:
Chatchai Sasakul (WBC FW Champion)
Lehlohonolo Ledwaba (IBF SBW Champion)
Jorge Eliecer Julio <Post-Prime>
Marco Antonio Barrera [x2] (future HOFer) <Late Prime in 1st , Over the hill in 2nd>
Hector Velazquez
Erik Morales [x2] (future HOFer) <Over the hill in both, but washed up in 2nd>
Oscar Larios
Jorge Solis <Undefeated>
Juan Manuel Marquez (WBC SF Champion, future HOFer)
David Diaz (WBC LW Champion)
Oscar De La Hoya (future HOFer) <Over the hill & Massively Underweight>
Ricky Hatton (Future HOFer) <Ring Magazine JWW Champion> <Post-Prime>
Notable Losses:
Medgoen Singsurat <Manny Pre-Prime>
Erik Morales I
Questionable Wins:
Juan Manuel Marquez II

*Solis has not beat anyone of significance, but he's also never lost to anyone besides Manny. In these situations I rate a guy B-.

Career Record: 49 wins (36 by way of KO), 3losses (2 by KO), and 2 draws. 6 time world champion in 6 weight divisions. Defeated 5 future hall of famers, 2 of which were still prime.

'A' level wins:
Marco Antonio Barrera, Juan Manuel Marquez
'A-' level wins:
Erik Morales I, Marco Antonio Barrera II
'B' level wins:
Chatchai Sasakul, Lehlohonolo Ledwaba, Erik Morales II, Oscar Larios, David Diaz, Oscar De La Hoya, Ricky Hatton
'B-' level wins:
Jorge Eliecer Julio, Hector Velazquez, Jorge Solis

Point Total: 4 + 2.25 + 6.5 + 1.5 &#8211; 4 = 10.25

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Floyd Mayweather Jr:

Notable Wins:
Genaro Hernandez (WBC SF Champion) <Post-Prime>
Angel Manfredy
Gregorio Vargas
Diego Corrales (Undefeated, future HOFer)
Carlos Hernandez
Jesus Chavez
Jose Luis Castillo [x2] (WBC LW Champion, future HOFer)
DeMarcus Corley
Arturo Gatti (WBC JWW Champion, future HOFer) <Over the hill>
Sharmba Mitchell <Over the hill>
Zab Judah (IBF WW Champion)
Carlos Baldomir (WBC & Ring WW Champion)
Oscar De La Hoya (WBC JMW Champion, future HOFer) <Post-Prime>
Ricky Hatton (Undefeated JWW Ring Champion, future HOFer)
Questionable Wins:
Jose Luis Castillo I

Career Record: 39 wins, 25 KOs, no draws, and no defeats. 6 time world champion in 5 weight divisions. Defeated 5 future hall of famers, 3 of which were in their prime.

'A' level wins:
Diego Corrales, Jose Luis Castillo (x2)
'A-' level wins:
Zab Judah, Oscar De La Hoya, Ricky Hatton
'B' level wins:
Genaro Hernandez, Angel Manfredy, Jesus Chavez, DeMarcus Corley, Sharmba Mitchell, Carlos Baldomir
'B-' level wins:
Gregorio Vargas, Carlos Hernandez, Arturo Gatti
Point Total: 5 + 4.5 + 6 + 1.5 &#8211; 0 = 17

 

Why can't you rank Floyd higher? Aside from Barerra, Morales (post-prime in 1st fight, faded in 2 and 3rd), and JMM there is nothing exceptional about Manny's resume. Same token Floyd has Castillo (in prime), Coralles, Judah, and Oscar (@154). I honestly don't see why hands down Pac has the better resume.

 

I want to see somebody argue it.

 

Its not really hands down, its arguable. IMO Pac edges it because of the manner in which he won vs Hatton. All this will change by the end of the year though.

 

people should just watch May box, screw the facts and the figures who beat who, who has a better resume and just look at May's skills.

That's why i would rank him higher.

 

This is where we disagree, I don't count Hatton wins as anything positive for either guy. Hatton is a club fighter, to count his win as meaningful, I would have to count Floyd's domination of Gatti, because Gatti and Hatton are on the same level, maybe Gatti a little higher.

 

Give me a break. Pac was a pro when he was 16, been boxing since he was a kid too and was a champion by 19, younger than both MAB & Morales. He beat Morales when they were 29-30, younger than Pac is now. MAB was coming off wins from hamed, ayala, tapia, kelley & Morales. Top 3 p4p. Beaten by Pac. Comes back to beat Morales more convincingly (who was p4p still clearly), becomes undisputed SFW champ, back to top 5 p4p, beats Fana & Juarez. 5 years later fights JMM to a controversial decision and JMM is given plenty of credit for that? lol.

Only a fool would claim MAB was not prime.

 

:rofl

lol, that **** really had me lol.