How can u rank Floyd higher all-time p4p when Pac has better resume & achievements?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by DINAMITA, May 4, 2009.


  1. BadJuju83

    BadJuju83 Bolivian Full Member

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    Answer what??. I was asking the ****in question. You have so far either skillfully or through dumb luck avoided answering the question for damn near 3 posts. It's a talent I'll grant you, and then shoving it on me is awesome.


    I liked your criteria when you made your very good list, I've said as much. That criteria then was Resume,performance at the weight,skillset,H2H ability against other greats at that weight through history and achievements.

    My bone to pick was you narrowing it to just resume and achievements in this very thread because it suited Manny over Floyd. You warned off anyone using any other criteria but that because it was being make believe, matter of opinion and peripheral. I asked why narrow it just for this particular pair of names(Not Roy and Hop). That was it. No smilies,no ignorant remarks or ****ish behaviour.

    Who's the *****?


    I was asking because i suspect I would have manny in front aswell, but I wouldnt have to disregard the criteria that you explained when defending you're list. Or any other P4P discussion. Where you are(quite rightly) one of the first in there shouting it isnt just resume. It's baffling.
     
  2. MaliSlamusrex

    MaliSlamusrex Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Hatton is not a club fighter, and he is betterl than Gatti, although they are both almost fighters in the grand scheme of things.

     
  3. Symphenyceo

    Symphenyceo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Its not just because he beat Hatton ,its the manner in which he did it.
     
  4. BadJuju83

    BadJuju83 Bolivian Full Member

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    Im honoured that you were moved enough to check me out. I didnt mean to rattle you earlier, it was not my intention to catch you out.


    Caught, i was asking about Ola and the Martinez fights, and thanks to FINITO i made a few bob. Not everyone can spend all day on here making threads contradicting themselves.


    The song was A Millie, and finding and downloading that album that night got me a nice little bonus. We dont all watch fights alone in our Mum's basement.


    I made a thread about the Gman aswell mate, dont leave him out. He deserves better. And Tavoris Cloud. :bbb


    Even for a weegie you're a strange little ****er, but everyone deserves a second chance.;)
     
  5. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    There is not that much of a gap between Mayweather & Pac`s record/resume.
    Both have beaten good fighters aswell as men that they were expected to beat easily, I feel Floyd`s skills enabled him to win more clearly than Pacquiao in most of their fights.
    Floyd might have struggled with Castillo & had quite a close one with Oscar but Oscar was at 154 & Floyd - as he said he would when uninjured - beat prime Castillo clearly.
    Pacquiao allowed JMM to box back to a draw when he should have KO`d JMM in rd 1, lost to Morales fair & square in their 1st fight, didnt exactly put the beating expected on MAB the 2nd time leaving it close but clear & IMO lost by conceding 7 rds to JMM in their 2nd fight.
    DLH looked dead at 147 vs Manny to.
    Im not knocking Pac, I only mention these things because they ARE important, you cant just look at weight jumping & names on records, you have to annalyze further & look at how dominant they were at certain periods, how they handled their toughest spots in fights, how they adapted etc.

    Thats why I have Mayweather ahead of Pacquiao, nothing against Manny, boxing is lucky to have him, he is a true ATG but Floyd has an ever so slight edge for now.

    :thumbsup
     
  6. Symphenyceo

    Symphenyceo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    :thumbsup I have Pac ahead personally but Its a slight edge and i can see an arguement for Floyd to be ahead.
     
  7. DINAMITA

    DINAMITA Guest

    You still haven't said if you rank Oscar or Floyd higher. I'm still waiting.

    And my criteria is the same as its always been. When someone states they make a decision based solely or mainly on h2h/ability, I believe it is invalid.

    I make my decisions based on several factors, two main ones and some peripherals. I don't see what you are failing to grasp about that, nor what you have to dispute.

    Oscar or Floyd?
     
  8. DINAMITA

    DINAMITA Guest

    You keep knocking out the good stuff, threads on Nicky Cook and the like, and I'll keep rating your opinion and respecting your right to pop up and be a bitchy queen while contributing nothing of any originality or value yourself :good
     
  9. BadJuju83

    BadJuju83 Bolivian Full Member

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    You really are a bit simple arent you.

    In case you cant remember you havent asked me a question about Oscar and Floyd until THIS post.

    I brought up Oscar and Floyd because of a post you made a while ago saying you think Oscar has the better resume, but you rate Floyd higher(I agree btw)

    I then asked how you can come to this descision but forbid anyone on this thread from taking into account anything other than resume and weight jumping.

    This somehow confused you, and it has since turned into a question that you had apparently asked me. :think ****ed up.


    Less time searching my profile for weak material, and more time dedicated to answering simple questions on your own thread could help avoid this embarrasing situation.
     
  10. DINAMITA

    DINAMITA Guest

    Blah blah blah, through all of that weak and petty bull**** I have discerned that you rank Floyd higher than Oscar.

    Which begs the question...

    if you believe that Hopkins ranks higher than Jones because of his superior resume,

    despite Jones's superior feats of weight-jumping (4-weight world champ to Hop's 2),

    despite Jones being the 1st mw in a century to win a hw title,

    despite Jones UD'ing Hopkins when they fought,


    if you would disregard all three factors purely because you think Hopkins has a better resume then how do you justify having Floyd over Oscar?

    A blind man can see that Oscar has a clearly better resume. Could it be that you, the paragon of virtue and resident Nicky Cook expert, BadJuju83, have committed what you yourself view as such as a cardinal sin and heinous crime that it drives you a foaming-mouth page-after-page pursuit of another poster...

    ...having no concrete set criteria????? Changing your criteria whenever you wish?????


    You sorry little hypocrit. Stick to making the occasional thread on entrance music in future. :lol:
     
  11. BadJuju83

    BadJuju83 Bolivian Full Member

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    Deal.

    As long as i get good feedback on fighters im not up to date with like Martinez, we will all be happy.(Nice one FINITO btw)


    You see, i know enough about the Monzon's,Lopez's,Hagler's,Grebb's and the like so i dont mind saving my threads for the more mundane and new things. To me this is a Boxing Forum. To you it's the early learning centre.

    I respect that. Dont give up.


    Happy learning.
     
  12. paloalto00

    paloalto00 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    All mayweather had was judah, chavez, castillo, corrales. If you pull out DLH you might as well slap yourself. Everyone knows he lost....to a washed up DLH
     
  13. DINAMITA

    DINAMITA Guest

    I learned how Harry Greb spelled his name years ago. :good

    Happy Learning.
     
  14. BadJuju83

    BadJuju83 Bolivian Full Member

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    I rank Roy over Hop. Never said anything different. Sorry. Nice speech though.

    You see i use criteria other than JUST Resume. Which is what this whole mess started with because i asked you why you had suddenly changed your mind when it concerns Pac.:patsch But you had used different criteria for Roy over Hop and Floyd over Oscar. Go get some air mate.

    You seem to be getting confused with questions I ask YOU, then you must read them and think you wrote them for me or some strange ****. Try taking a deep breath and reading our exchange from the very start. I'll be here.


    (One thing, the Nicky Cook expert thing, as funny as it is, the thread i made was asking about BOTH Nicky and Rocky, i wanted to know what the GF thought of the fight and who would win. I hadnt a clue, not familiar with either, but thanks to FINITO, i got paid. Sorry again)
     
  15. DINAMITA

    DINAMITA Guest

    Liar. I have seen you say you rank Hop over Roy before, and now you're denying it because you're backed into a corner. If I had the time or desire to find a post of yours stating so, I would. Or you could just admit it now?

    You can ask me about any decision, and I can back it up using the same criteria I have already outlined more than once on this thread. Watertight at all times, no matter what oddballs pop up and have a go. :good

    I hope you and Nicky Cook continue to have a long and equally prosperous relationship. While you and the Cookster cha-ching your way to success, I'll be here making real threads and having real opinions and discussions :hi: