How Can You Accurately Measure Risk? Before Or After A Fight?

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  1. walk with me

    walk with me Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Last Week At Some Point... I was debating with some one on the forum about how do you determine how "RISKY" a fight is...

    He was giving examples of guys who were supposed to lose but thoroughly outclassed their opponent and was saying those fights were "RISKY" because they were supposed to lose...

    example:

    bhop vs pavlik
    shane vs margarito
    pw vs winky

    But in reality those fights were not that risky at all to me because those are fights that the winner "SHOULD HAVE" won...



    to me its like saying.... walking outside of your hosue could be risky or riding a motorcycle could be risky.... but you cant really determine that until after the situation occurs because nobody can really show the true measurement of the "RISKY-Ness" except the participants in the situation..


    another example that I just thought about is you could have a fight where one guy is far superior to the other guy but the lesser fighter wins

    example:

    baldomir vs zab
    lyell vs duddy
    Mora Vs Forrest

    In these situations... better fighters took on lesser fighters and loss... and the whole "Not A Risky Fight" Concept is irrelevant....


    Where Does Your Opinion Stand On This Topic?
     
  2. Shane

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  3. J.R.

    J.R. No Mames Guey Full Member

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    Good post.
     
  4. walk with me

    walk with me Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    why is it a good post? An "A" Fighter Could Fight A "C" fighter & the C fighter could just knock the better guy the **** out.... on paper it wouldnt be a risky fight cause the A guy is way better.....

    whats the problem
     
  5. hmm

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    hmm says... all in the eye of the beholder. For the most part, a lot of us OBSERVERS can't measure risk as well as the boxer's themselves. Most skilled boxers know their limit better than we do and know how to accurately assess the level of risk before jumping head over heels (we see boxers who knowingly take the low-risk high-rewards route). Some fighters go in balls deep only to bite more than they can chew. For the most part, I believe most casual fans simply assess and measure risk on how well the fighter performed previously. The argument goes both ways (ie. Valero: he seems dangerous but his resume speaks otherwise). It's quite hard to measure IMO. A long drawn out argument normally ensues (hence the number of threads on who will beat who) that cannot be measured until they actually get in the ring.
     
  6. walk with me

    walk with me Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    thats my point....and my opinion....

    i only think most fighters take like any where from 1-4 truly risky fights during their whole career.... because realistically the whole point is to WIN the fights..... and to take on a risky fight... you would have to be fighting an opponent who is either.... equal in skill to you... or is better than you... fighting someone who is better than you is just plain stupid and probably never really happens... when your the fighter CHOOSING to fight.... you might get CHOSE to fight someone better than you... if you know what im trying to say...and 50% 50% fights are extremely rare
     
  7. hmm

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    hmm says... for your poll, I would vote both "yes" and "no", but I voted "no" because no matter how well of a boxing expert or analysis you can be, your prediction can still be wrong. Anything can happen in the ring; hence "no".
     
  8. socrates

    socrates THE ORIGINAL... Full Member

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    easy...

    if you see tyson then run,

    if you see james toney throw him a burger then run,

    on the other hand if you see zab judah then smile wryly, indulge him his two rounds of showboating and then proceed to give him a thorough thrashing,...

    pretty accurate risk assesment no?
     
  9. walk with me

    walk with me Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    exactly..... and nobody know's whats truly going on with the boxers until we see the real evidence which is inside of the ring..

    a fighter could be 1000x better but have a torn acl or something like that which in turn leads the fighter to taking A loss

    is their another way to interpret or ask the question I impose?
     
  10. hmm

    hmm damn chairs Full Member

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    hmm says... that's how I see it. 50-50 fights is the way to go..
     
  11. walk with me

    walk with me Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    how often do those come along though? its definitely one of the more rare situations in boxing... as sad as that sounds
     
  12. hmm

    hmm damn chairs Full Member

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    hmm says... ^^ don't know but for sure and hopefully this year will pull through. Upcoming, I'm probably thinking...

    Wlad-Haye
    Cotto-Clottey
    Chris John-Rocky Juarez

    I dunno about Berto-Urango


    What are your picks?
     
  13. walk with me

    walk with me Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    i dont know... all of those are tough calls
     
  14. No10Point

    No10Point Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Unfortunately boxing isn't a sport.
    It is nothing more than a money machine. So risk can be determined as:

    Is the $ a fighter will make fighting "boxer A" be worth the possible loss/gain of income form fighting "boxer B".
     
  15. trampie

    trampie Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Of course you can measure 'risk' before a fight, if you are good at evaluating you will predict the outcome of a fight most of the time, but not all the time. Odds compilers working for bookmakers do it, insurance companies also evaluate risk, but it is not an exact science.

    It would be wrong to say that a boxer who won a fight he was expected to lose had not taken a risk.

    The proof being - A man runs across a busy motorway/freeway which has 10 lanes, 5 lanes in each direction, he manages to somehow get from oneside of the road to the otherside of the road in one piece, with the traffic all doing 70 mph, are you really trying to suggest that just because the man got from one side of the road to the other side of the road that there was no risk, your arguement that the man surviving is proof that there is no risk,is bollocks, obviously there was a huge risk in this example, an odds compiler would tell you that the man was 90% certain to be knocked down, 9 times out of 10 that man would not have made it across the road, it just happened to be the one time in his favour.