How can you cherry pick a top fighter in your division?

You mentioned him first in the post I quoted numbnuts.

 

Ok but like anything it's best to look at it with context as far as fight's that could of happen I'd argue more about a casamour/Frietas fight in the early 2000's over a Margarito ect...Also it seem people compare Mayweathers Welter Career to guys like sugar ray, and Hearn's whole career all three fighters moved up the same amount of weight classes in Hearns/Leonard's first division of 147 they had each other as the best and Duran who moved up in weight to fight them in Mayweather's first division 130 he had G.Hernandez,Corralas,Chavez,C,Hernandez.
Considering the fact they all moved up at least 5 division a better comparison would be who they fought as they moved up

 

How is that exaggerating? Baldomir had the winning ticket with Judah as the champ. Back then, I'd have favored 5-6 other ww over those two.

 

Wayne you have shameless double standards. Hagler is the man because he fought all the guys that moved up to fight him, but didn't move up himself?

Yet Floyd HAS to move up and fight Martinez who is a damned Super Middle by fight night :nut

 

no, he didn't. That post means nothing...

 

This is silly really, all fighters fight to make money. the business model back in the day to make any real coin the top guys had to face each other. even SRL, who was bigger than Oscar and Floyd, in his day got relatively little for fighting (even if he fought the top guys). these guys were forced to fight the big names because that is how that got on TV and got more money.

Oscar, who was perhaps the biggest cash cow made calculated moves as well. he fought the smaller SSM, Pac and PBF. All them were highly ranked P4P but Oscar went in as a huge fav. I cannot remember if was the fav against Bhop who he thought was getting old at the time (some people say that SRL did the same with MMH . . . who I think Oscar was trying to emulate), He did not fight Tito a second time, and lets not forget there was Winky and Vernon that he did not face. My point is that Oscar fought a lot of great fighters but he like anyone else is open to criticism. Fighters do not fight only because the love it, they have something to prove, or for the fans. they all fight to make money. Everyone makes a calculation of risk/reward and there is not one fighter who anyone has mentioned who has not followed this principle

 

Winky turned the ****ing fight down atsch

 

All you've said is he's lineal, nothing more. Well congrats, you've just said something we all know. Now, if you'd care to add substance, feel free.

Baldomir, being lineal, didn't make him any more then he was, a limited journeyman in the right place, right time. He did nothing before, or after, winning the belts.

A fighter gives the belts value, not the other way around.

 

Have you ever stopped to think that those guys from the 80's were all close in skill and talent to each other which is why they all had good fights and that Mayweather is just much greater than the fighters in his era?

Why does Floyd get criticized because he has mastered the sport and dedicated his life to the sport and these other guys arent as skilled and dedicated? How can you criticize a fighter for being FAR GREATER than his opponents and he makes it look easy.

 

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But does this mean he should be excused for those fights not happening, or should he be criticized for allowing others to take care of business for him?

Also, what do you mean when you say he fought Mosley "right after" or Hatton "two fights after"? There was almost a year-and-a-half in between Mosley's fights with Margo and Mayweather, and what "two fights" for Hatton or Mayweather are you referring to?

 

Mayweather offered Margarito the Zab Judah date after Judah lost. He turned it down. Mayweathe offered to fight Margarito again in a 5 fight contract 1-2 weeks after he defeated Judah in which his promoter turned down the contract.

He made efforts to fight Margo when they were both with TR.

 

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Freddie Roach: I have no problem with the testing whatsoever. They can do whatever (Keyword: Whatever) kind of drug testing that they want.

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Alex Ariza: I am the one in charge, I am the one responsible for what Manny takes. He has no idea what he takes.

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Early today Richard Schaefer, CEO of Golden Boy Promotions, was contacted by Top Rank President Todd duBoef, who informed Schaefer that Pacquiao would not agree to have his blood taken within 30-days of the bout based on the fighter’s superstition of testing so close to a fight.

Richard Schaefer: Todd told me that Pacquiao has difficulty with taking blood and doesn’t want to do it so close to the fight. He, Pacquiao, would only agree to have blood drawn before the kick-off press conference and after the fight.

In that same day,

Freddie Roach: A urine test is just as qualified as a blood test. [Human growth hormone] is not detected by blood or urine.”

How is HGH test done?

More than one blood sample must be taken on different days, due to rapid changing levels of growth hormone. A test measuring IGF-1 levels may be taken in conjunction, as its levels change much slower. Before blood is drawn, the administering health professional should be informed of any disorders or medication being taken which can lead to bleeding at the site of the puncture.

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Bob Arum: Manny says that taking blood from him really weakens him. And he doesn't want to do it when he's in training, but he'll do it prior to going into training, and after the fight. Every major doctor will tell you that blood testing shows absolutely nothing.

Freddie Roach: For the record, Pacquiao (Remember, he said Pacquiao) is willing to have his blood drawn before he starts training and after the fight to be tested for steroids and performance enhancing drugs. It’s not like Pacquiao is saying no to drugs.

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Arum: This kid has a phobia for getting his blood drawn.

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Manny Pacquiao plans to sue Floyd Mayweather, the American's father and Golden Boy Promotions in the next few days following a row over doping procedures, the Filipino world champion said in a statement on Friday.

NYDailyNews. Tim Smith,

This isn't some issue that just came about. It has been a part of the contract negotiations for weeks. According to a source familiar with the talks, Pacquiao's representatives asked what penalties Pacquiao would face if he tested dirty, and also if a dirty test result could be kept secret so that the integrity of the fight wouldn't be ruined in the public eye.

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Manny Pacquiao: I have offered to give a blood sample the day of the announcement of the fight at the Press Release. I have offered to give a blood sample 30 days before the fight. I am willing to give blood immediately after the fight is over inside my dressing room. I am also willing to give urine tests at anytime any where everyday leading up to the fight. The truth is taking blood out of my body does not seem natural to me and mentally I feel it will weaken me if blood is taken from me just days before the fight.

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Manny Pacquiao: I do not have anything to prove (to them) and hopefully, they would not succeed in destroying my image and the sport of boxing in the way they want it done. They want to dictate and step on the authority of the organizations including the Nevada State Athletic Commission. I am not guilty and I don’t have to prove anything because I have passed all tests in all my previous fights. I will all just see you in court.

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Alex Ariza: He’s willing to give the blood tests – just not two or three days before, for understable reasons.


David Tyler interviews Freddie Roach.

Freddie Roach: HGH cannot be detected by blood, saliva, or urine. The doctors I've talked to said that HGH and any growth harmone cannot be detected by any test.

David Tyler: Fred, I have a graduate's degree in Biochemistry and 30 years experience in developing blood chemistry tests.....I'll leave it alone, let's move foward.

Freddie Roach: No wait, you can't tell me that there is a test that can detect HGH or growth harmones.

David Tyler: Fred, I'm not here to make you mad.

Freddie Roach: I'm not mad, I'm telling you that you are wrong if you think there is a test for HGH.

David Tyler: Ok Fred, so you are saying that HGH cannot be detected by a blood test?

Freddie Roach: Absolutely, 100%, NO! Saliva, blood, or urine.

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Oh look this long ass excuse again..

 

Y does he take all the blame for fights not happening when its well documented that Margo, Cotto, Mosley, Hatton all turned down fights with Mayweather at one point or another. Y is it okay for them to make excuses that they are to green, there teeth hurt, they aren't ready, don't like the date. But when they claim they want the fight Mayweather has to come running to them?