*How close in Percentage-Terms was Tyson to PEAK/BEST when he KTFO by Bummy Douglas?*

Throwing 20 punches per round is not fast paced, it's shamefully lazy.

 

Really? How do you know?

 

To be fair, maybe Douglas didn't exactly let him throw many.
Tyson had a lot of incoming connecting on his head - it's hard to mount an attack under such fire.

 

so how did joe louis lose to max schmeling? was it because he was lazy, was blackburn having a bad day? How come joe louis wasnt listening to chappie anymore? wasnt blackburn a great trainer? didnt he have the right answers?

sometimes a great fighter can lose to a great gameplan.

 

Flush combinations were often connecting on his unprotected head in that fight, because he didn't even keep his hands up to block, lethargically sleepwalked forward like a lazy past-prime Tua, & presented a very stationary target. I think it was round 7 before Tyson even realised he was getting pasted, & begun to try to block punches with a ragged sloppy block! atsch

 

THere is no way, unless you knew every outside factor revolving around each fight and fighter to determine anything from this comment. Tyson was clearly not prepared, disinterested and didnt have the right people around him to prepare him even if he was focused.
Guys like Ali are just different. Manny Pac is probably the most distracted fighter Ive ever seen in boxing, but he trains his ass off and has a great boxing mind in his corner. Theres a difference there. Ali had Dundee, Tyson had Snowell and Bright who were amatuers at best.
Every fighter is different, and most if not all need the right people around them to consistently exceed on the top level. Tyson never got a chance to prove what most people believe was the case that night in Tokyo, but thats his fault for thinking he was unbeatable, so people can turn it into any type of conclusion they believe, because Douglas won and he won big.

 

:good Tyson was geting picked off beacuse douglas took away his wheels. tyson was stranded in no mans land. douglas timed him, setting traps and making tyson pay. there was nothing tyson could do. mike just did not have the answers that night just like joe louis against schmeling the first time.

 

Yes, every case is different.
But you said the same thing "would have" happened to Ali or Louis.
Maybe we should just stick to what actually did transpire then. :good

 

Please enlighten us how you know Tyson trained harder for Douglas than he did Tucker? :happy

 

Unless you have documented cases to compare the fighters than you should do the same. Tysons lack of preparation was highly documented.

 

Tyson was listless & sluggish, something was up with his prepartion, likely the dehydration, starvation & crash-dieting to make weight.

A low-fat watery soup, a salad, some muscle-relaxation exercises, sitting in the sauna & a light jog per day to not prepare you for a championship fight. Plus he was was sparring very infrequently, got floored by Greg Page, & was getting his butt kicked by Old Berbick & Green McCall too...

 

It's true that there were reports and rumours prior to the Tucker fight that Tyson was arguing with Rooney, bolting from training camp, spending too much time with Robin Givens ..... and of course there was the parking attendant assualt incident.

All of which was denied/covered-up by Rooney and Jacobs etc.

 

because tyson said so. he said he didnt even want that fight and he was heavier than he wanted to be. he might have said he also had the clap at the time but i cant remember.

Now, how do you know rooney knows more about boxing than than atlas? Its such a strange thing to say, please enlighten us all to how you arived at this..

I am all ears lefty.

 

Well, I was replying to your comment.
But I don't think it's really in dispute that Ali didn't train for some fights and spent much of his time screwing dozens of groupies.

Anyway, I'm the one who provided an article on this thread to back up Tyson's lack of preparation.

 

so how did joe louis lose to max schmeling? was it because louis was lazy, hungry undertrained or was blackburn having a bad day? How come joe louis wasnt listening to chappie anymore? wasnt blackburn a great trainer? didnt he have the right answers? was louis also floored in sparring?

sometimes a great fighter can lose to a great gameplan.