How come Marquez couldn't even knock Pacquiao down in their first 3 fights?

Innocent until proven guilty.

And again, it wasn't the KO that was highly suspect. It was the knockdown.
Pac has been hit by that same shot countless times in the past before with no such effect. Not even remotely close I tell you.
But then again it could be also because Pac's age has finally caught up with him as well.

So still, innocent until proven guilty.

 

To be rivals they would have to compete against one another, They do not.
Usada, the standard is used in major events while vada is hardly used at all in the us and or Olympic events. They are not rivals, vada is the little sister. Well, really the 3rd or 4th cousin that is trying to mirror usada.

Let me give you the facts. They both are Wada based which means they only collect samples which are tested via Wada accredited labs.

This is the last Time I will explain this **** to the children and trolls on here.

Same exact procedure. They both collect samples for wada accredited labs to test. .
shouldn't be this hard.

 

We know he's desperate enough to drink ****, I'm sure he's eating **** or whatever it takes to win.

 

If they don't compete and both get their samples tested in the same facilities, why would JMM refuse (against Bradley) VADA over USADA? Or vice-versa?

 

if your suspicious of JMM then you openly admit your suspicious of Pac too....fair?

 

Always been a massive JMM fan, always wanted him to get his rightful prop's seeing he was always over shadowed by Eric & MAB. But sadly I recken he's now sold his soul to the devil, there can be no defence for employing a notorious chemist in yer camp. If this was in a civil court, the jury would nail him every time by unanimous decision, they wouldn't even retire to consider the verdict, hands up on the spot, guilty as charged!

 

Well, we are supposed to believe that drinking urine can turn your inner hulk on :nut

 

yes them vitimines and minerals :yep

 

same reason pac actually seemed to get a reaction from a bradley punch. he is getting older and his punch resistance is fading

 

I don't know, I just hope he hasn't been juicing but the more I read about the issue the more I feel disgusted by it all

 

Suspicious of PAC, no. Would I want him tested in every way possible? Yes.

Manny has never done anything to garner me being suspicious of him. PAC never refused any testing; it was the dates of the test, dates that weren't standard and pushed personally by Floyd. I'm as suspicious of Manny as I am of Floyd, or any other fighter out there.

Though honestly I wouldn't be surprised if fighters out there were juicing to some extent, the $$$ made in fights is too good. It'd probably end up like Lance Armstrong and Cycling, I think if they ruled out all the cyclists that tested positive for something the real winner was the guy in 23rd(?) place or something.

Like the great and funny Bill Burr said, "So what? Our roided up guy beat up your roided out guy." :nut

 

Marquez did rock Pacquiao a little early into their second fight.

My theory is that Marquez decided early into the first fight that Pacquaio is a dangerous fighter to brawl against (ie: the 3 knockdowns due to not being careful or respecting his power). So he spent the rest of that fight fighting off the backfoot counterting with great success. In fight 2, after Pacquiao has "improved" and has KO'd a bunch of fighters since then (including the previously never been KO'd Morales), he thinks, "just stay safe, work off his attack and box smart, and you'll win." And he pretty much did win, but he got caught in an exchange when he got sucked into a brawl, got dropped and lost a point. And got robbed.

So fight 3 he says, "be super conservative, don't even try to hurt him, and box as conservative as possible. DO NOT GET KNOCKED DOWN."(cause he improved yet again, this time stopping and hurting big welterweights like Cotto, De La Hoya, and Margarito) And at the slow pace they fought, he dominated so clearly that he thought the UD was easily his, but he was robbed, yet again.

I think fight 4, his training camp, as evidenced in that sparring video where he knocks down his training partner, was focused on knocking Manny Pacquiao out. That's why he wasn't winning any rounds (Pacquaio fans are delusional if they think he was "winning" before the KO, Juan could've easily taken those rounds if he wanted), because in his mind, he could win 12-0 against Manny, but he would get robbed again if left to the judges. So his game plan was not to impress judges by landing fast combos on an incoming Pacquiao, but to throw body shots to set up home run knockout punches upstairs. He was just waiting for his moment to KO him because he felt there was no other way to win.

In my opinion, he has always had the power to hurt and stop Pacquiao but never risked it since he could win(or so he thought) by boxing smart. In fight 4, I saw him try to KO Pac on at least 4 occasions with a single shot. 1. The round 3 knockdown 2. The counter right that Pac ran into right after he dropped Marquez 3. A looping right soon after that, which Pacquiao blocked 4. and of course the final knockout shot.

Marquez never threw those kind of punches in the first fight, because, with his superior boxing skill, he didn't need to risk throwing hard looping shots like that. He was safe boxing and winning rounds, but since he couldn't win a decision no matter how dominant he was, his only choice was to knock him out. :bbb

 

And this is why PAC fans are the most hypocritical, ignorant, cry baby fans in any sport. History will show that PAC was ktfo in round 6 by a great fighter and PAC nemesis Jmm.

 

marquez learnt early you can not beat pac in a brawl he had to counter punch him

good example of this was the madness of the first fight round 1 at this point marquez thought he could bang with pac full force he found out early that pacmans power is no joke...

 

Because he didn't manage to step on his foot in any of them