How come Wilder and Fury fought each other but Joshua has fought neither

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  1. BEATDOWNZ

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    Boxing politics.
     
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    I'm not a fan of the bloke but you can hardly call a unified champion a hype job. Overrated? Sure but a hype job? That's a no from me.
     
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    He's only made Canelo/GGG and AJ vs every heavy going.
     
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    Not the Mcracken/Froch article I mentioned as like mentioned it was a while back around 2018 but il try and find it again. Here’s three other articles I found while searching

    https://www.express.co.uk/sport/box...tay-Wilder-Super-Fight-Tyson-Fury-Boxing-News

    https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/...ant-wilder-fight-insists-warren-37216634.html

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    ******* thread on above Froch video https://www.*******.com/forums/boxi...e-eddie-hearn-for-joshua-wilder-not-happening
     
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    So you'll take Carl Froch's word over Deontay's own tweets and interviews?

    :risas3:

    I know Wilder has brain damage, but I didn't think it flowed over to his nut-gobbling fans.
     
  8. Mickc

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    I just posted a few articles for hobby rider to look over in regards to a post I made about Mcracken saying Joshua was not ready for Wilder. Nut-gobbling Wilder fans ! Do you have a link confirming Wilders brain damage and his fans or are you just pretending to be a Doctor to help with your lust over Joshua ?
     
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    Cool story, except The Ring and every other publication of note had Fury rated 'C' between the end of February 2020 and mid-August 2022 (when Fury told The Ring they could have their title back). So, even if you choose to ignore the lineage, you're still wrong.



    As for Wilder and Tyson being scared of Joshua;


    Joshua/Hearn had two clear opportunities during April-June 2018 to sign to face Wilder as his very next fight after Parker. Wilder first met Joshua's $50,000,000 demand, then, after Joshua backtracked and declined the offer, Wilder accepted Hearn's "flat fee" offer in order to make the fight happen.

    Wilder's mortal crimes were 1. looking elsewhere and cutting a deal with the much more amenable Tyson Fury, after Hearn stalled the June 2018 negotiations for as long as it took the WBA to lose patience and enforce Joshua's mandatory obligation to Povetkin (which the organization had been willing to defer), 2. later refusing a multi-fight DAZN contract, which proposed a meeting with Joshua as the third bout in the deal, in favor of resuming his existing network relationships and his rivalry with Fury, which had produced considerable clamor for a rematch of their contemporaneously recent first bout (a prescient decision, given that Joshua was knocked out by Andy Ruiz within three months of Team Wilder's talks with DAZN's John Skipper).

    Unassailable breakdown of events here.


    For Fury and Joshua, there never was a truly clear juncture to meet.

    Hearn piped up about some purported 60/40 offer in May 2019, some months after Fury had committed to his ESPN deal and the build-up to the highly anticipated rematch with Wilder. Joshua, meanwhile, was already signed to face Jarrell Miller (whose eventual replacement would knock him silly).

    The negotiations in early 2021 were thwarted by Wilder's arbitration victory, then Joshua blew it by losing to Usyk twice in a row to make nonsense of your lofty predictions that he would rumble all over the Ukrainian. :lol:



    The facts of the matter completely debunk your bull****. :risunis: @bumdeedo :pipi



    Hang in there, though, because it appears that Tyson may be throwing Joshua a juicy bone. In which case, December 3 will bring another serving of crow for you to chow down on. :eusa_dance:
     
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    Wilder's attempted guilt-tripping of Fury is inconsequential.

    Everyone involved in Fury-Joshua II was hopeful of a huge US buyrate. PPV sales were good (800,000–850,000), but didn't live up to the higher expectations of a buyrate well in excess of a million. Wilder could only have known the full numbers he would make for that Fury rematch in hindsight.

    As noted above, the deal that Skipper offered Wilder was a multi-fight contract with Joshua offered up as the third bout in the deal. Wilder chose instead to build toward the Fury rematch, for which a considerable clamor had been generated. An understandable decision.

    Joshua/Hearn are the only party who twice dropped the ball on making that bout with immediate effect. It could have been theirs after Parker.
     
  11. Mod-Mania

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    AJ was unifying against Parker at the same time as Wilder was fighting nobodies like Gerald Washington.
     
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    Fury didn't fight wilder, he took his soul
     
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    Agreed and although it wasn't Fury's fault either, it annoyed me when he publicly said the fight was happening when he knew full well it wasn't.
     
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    He’ll go missing again just like he did when Usyk beat Joshua last year.
     
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    Ahem,
    , and,

    I mean,

    it's amusing that Wilder's attempt to guilt-trip and recriminate Fury should be seized upon and subjected to the reductionist 'Wilder admitting he ducked Joshua to rematch Fury for chump change' interpretation, but Hearn's random comments to iFL about Joshua turning down the unequivocally larger Fury payday to rematch Usyk go completely unreferenced. :lol:

    "To be honest with you, AJ could have probably just skipped this fight and fought Tyson Fury. That fight's always going to be the biggest in boxing, isn't it?"

    It's apparently quite okay when Joshua pursues unfinished business for an undoubtably smaller purse than he would've earned for facing the world's true heavyweight champeen. But, for Wilder, it was a sin to resume his business with Fury and not put a firm cap on his earning potential. :lol: