How common do you think fight fixing is?

everything is fixed in every sport and politics, war everything

 

foreman-briggs was fixed. every one knew briggs lost. BRIGGS knew he lost. he hung his head and slumped his way to his corner. when his name was announced, he looked just as shocked as every one else. when they handed him the belt, his name name was already on it. the picture was in ring magazine. so, one of three things. either there are two belts on hand or there was an engraver who works REALLY fast. or, he was SUPPOSED to win the fight, barring a knock out by george.

 

I think Farrell's definition of fixed is up for debate. Is it just a dive or is it all the negotiable points too? Even something as common as picking all the judges, venue, A side/B side, and all that BS, he constitutes as fixed. If that's the case then modern top level boxing is kind of fixed in that way. Anyone who fought Fluid was meant to lose w/o a doubt. Just like anyone fighting Ward, his town, his judges, his ref, his fans, its all fixed too. Almost forgot, Clenelo's pre-filled 118-110 for every fight. Shrugs...

 

pretty common. every sport is rigged to a certain extent.

 

One of the worst sports writers ever born. Nothing he says is credible.

Realistically, no important fight is fixed in the modern era. By important, let's say a title shot or a mandatory shot. The amount of money on the line for winning a fight in either circumstance dwarfs that which could be paid to the fighter "taking the bribe". At least, unless the payer of the bridge e is willing to pay an economically nonsensical anount of money.

Bribes happened in the past back when boxers had little control over their career, fought more often, the mafia was more prominent, losses were more accepted, and most importantly, boxers MADE much less money. Anyone rationally looking at the factors generating LaMottas fixed fights, which did happen, can see that those factors aren't around to generate a thrown fight now. Even there, the fight he threw wasn't for a title or a mandatory position. He threw it so he could GET a title shot. How many fights do we care about nowadays that don't factor into an organizations ranking? And why would any promising fighter throw a fight when he knows his marketability goes down the drain with even one loss, let alone two?

It just doesn't make sense in the modern era.

 

What about corrupt judges and referees? They certainly do happen.

 

every sport rigs their results through officials.

 

I think it's common. Recall that FBI investigation into Top Rank that was about to pull them under, before Arum called in a big political favor. One of the things that came out before the investigation was miraculously disintegrated, was that Top Rank was fixing fights.

 

Both. Look at Mayweather vs McGregor. If that fight wasnt fixed, result would read Mayweather KO1. Or Wilder vs Stiverne 2. Stiverne shows up massively overweight, looks completely disinterested, doesnt throw a single punch, and walks around in circles for 150 seconds before falling over. Wilder vs Scott. 2 good friends, Scott in every Wilder camp, goes down off the first nothing slap. Theres heaps of fights that are fixed, it makes monetary/health sense for fighters in need of both. Plenty of journeyman take a dive in the right round if the price is right to help out and make an up and comer look good.

 

Is this another Wilder thread?

 

Very rare, you don't need to fix fights even at prospect level, you just need a dependable matchmaker. Its much cheaper to have proper matchmaking than depending on an unpredictable human diver.

Even on title fights, build up undefeated fighters, buy them rankings, feed them to your capable boxer. Sign all of them directly or indirectly via managers you control...If the upset happens, even better now you have a new undefeated King, the interest of the boxing promoter is to keep the Volatility as high as possible to keep drama.

Fixing happens is when a manager is protecting a PET project, which needs lots of Money to buy dives, in additon to the money to buy rankings for the opponents...then the manager has be capable of intimidating the divers for the rest of their life...if the divers don't care about them selves...then their loved ones...if they don't have loved ones...Then you have to find them a Lady or Yusuf Mack, make them a family...So they become softer, lots of work not worth it in boxing, useful in other dimensions of life.

Dives were more common in the olden days, because gambling had a bigger % of the money in boxing than today.

 

Absolutely. Anyone who denies this is a dumb fuk.

 

Seth Mitchell vs Jonathan Banks

 

Agreed, but I suspect the corruption of today is on a promoter/network/governing body level, largely to manufacture money-spinning rematches and the like, or to keep the belts with the cash-cow champions....