How could anyone NOT consider Roy Jones Jr to be the P4P GOAT?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by OMGWTF, Dec 16, 2012.


  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Made up in your head.


    Made up in your head. You've already agreed with what I wrote:

    Made up in your head.

    Who fought better middleweights?

    Made up in your head.


    No. You made that up. In your head.


    No, that's made up in your head. Resume is short for "win resume". Absolutely nobody says "who has Harry Greb got on his resume?" meaning who did Greb win/lose to. They mean who has he GOT on his RESUME.

    :lol: apart from the season he was champion. Your football comparison is awful, it's like something i'd hear from a 10 year old.

    That's an absolutely ludicrous claim. You have no film of that fight, it is easy to source cards that have LaMotta winning and Bradley-Pacquiao is the most controversial decision in a generation :lol: Made up in your head. It is pathetic the way you have grabbed onto this decision, about which you know almost nothing that Springs hasn't told you, to attempt to further your argument which is nonsense. The most cursory of glances reveals:

    The Windsor Daily Star: "Jake LaMotta, seeking to re-establish himself as a middleweight contender, was a step closer to his goal today. He gained a ten round decision over Bert Lytell...LaMotta trailed at the half way mark but rallied in the later rounds to gain the nod over Lytell."

    The Boston Globe called it "a very complex affair". So without looking, i've found three cards for LaMotta and one card saying it is very close. That is actually more cards for LaMotta than exist in the HUNDREDS that are listed on the Boxrec in support of Pacquiao versus Bradley. Trying to paint this fight (which you've never seen) and that Bradley-Pacquiao fight as the same is....head splittingly stupid. It may be the stupidest thing you've said in this thread, which was always going to **** you up because it's about Roy Jones being p4p #1.

    Your continuing to flog this dead horse is especially pathetic as i've already said that green Hopkins might beat LaMotta under these conditions.

    No.

    That's to with him boxing for the second time in a week old chap, or 8 days if you prefer.


    Obviously :lol:

    :rofl what? How can a boxer look absolutely incredible against a weight drained opponent? What? Well, pp, he can show great skill, great mobiliity, great punching, great combinations, great speed, great self confidence, great timing. Furthermore weight-drained Toney was still likely one of Roy's better opponents - arguably his best opponent. He was an exceptional boxer after all.

    In total, more than you have seen of Lytell-LaMotta to write it off as a robbery.

    No. This is something you've made up in your head.

    All in all pp, this is a pathetic mess, and it was always going to be. You're position is that anyone who picks Jake LaMotta to beat a green Hopkins is "ignorant" and doesn't know anything about the man. This is a middleweight regarded as great or near-great by every authority, from ESB to someone like Monte Cox that we've looked at. Even just picking Bernard would be better, but picking him and making out that anyone who disagrees is an idiot was bound to get you into trouble. And look. You're comparing a fight you've never seen to Pacquiao-Bradley. You're claiming, sans evidence, that James Toney quit against Roy Jones and didn't bother to train for a fight he knew he couldn't win. You're pretending that Jake LaMotta is Aston Villa :lol: You've made some bizarre and disturbing leaps of logic based almost exclusively upon things you've made up in your head for no reason other than to shore up a horribly crumbling position based on a total unreasonable original premis. This isn't even one of you're "there goes PP, he's so ecsentric" it's a "wtf is that boy on" type deal.
     
  2. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Yeah, well you know what i'm at? I'm writing him up currently. He terrifying.
     
  3. Shake

    Shake Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Hopkins? Toney? Virgil Hill?

    True. He really did fight some good technicians.
     
  4. Flea Man

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  5. Flea Man

    Flea Man มวยสากล Full Member

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    F'n right he was.
     
  6. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    he may not have had the resume but u must admit everything said by OMGWTF is right and we all know it
     
  7. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think Roy's convincing win over Ruiz is better than what Mike Spinks did in the Holmes fight. At that stage, Larry was just a piece of meat holding a paper title

    and as for Leonard, wins over Duran N Hearns is a good start but two wins does not a career make. Only wins over undefeateds Pryor N Curry sperate Sugar from true greatness
     
  8. LittleRed

    LittleRed Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Better than Gene Fullmer.
     
  9. Flea Man

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    Only technical fighters can be considered as good apparently.
     
  10. LittleRed

    LittleRed Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    And the less footage we have of them the better they are. Its a crazy mixed up world.
     
  11. kmac

    kmac On permanent vacation Full Member

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    Remember this list was from 1997.
     
  12. Lester1583

    Lester1583 Can you hear this? Full Member

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    By the way, have you seen Nunn-Liles, PP?

    Rare match-up - very tall, rangy southpaw vs very tall, rangy southpaw.

    They spent most of the fight fighting at close quarters though.

    Liles looked like a stronger man and a harder puncher but Nunn (clearly past-prime) slowed him down with his underrated body attack.

    Very close fight - even commentators thought Nunn deserved a decision.