How could anyone possibly call Kessler basic?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by MrStayman, Oct 30, 2007.


  1. MrStayman

    MrStayman Active Member Full Member

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    The blockheads of the world keep calling Kessler a "basic" fighter. :nut

    I have 16 of the guys fights, and he is phenomenal. He takes the Euro fighter style to the absolute pinnacle, and then even goes further than that. If you think he is "basic," then you are missing out on hundreds of subtle and not so subtle things that he does.

    - His head movement is very effective. A lot of fighters who move their head keep their feet planted when doing so, and do it preemptively at illogical times. Kessler moves his head around very fast and only when it pays off. This completely throws off his opponents.

    - His footwork is amazing. It is grounded in the euro style, in which fighters move in and out on their toes. However, he also has lateral movement, and weaves around his opponents.

    - His jabs and straights all have a tremendous amount of snap behind them. The extension that he puts on them, and the way they just uncoil into the opponent is a wonderful thing to watch.

    - Kessler's timing for counterpunching is perfect, and he adapts to his opponent as the fight goes on.

    - Kessler is amazingly accurate and has a good chin

    You'll find out the truth on Saturday.
     
  2. MrStayman

    MrStayman Active Member Full Member

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    Are you suggesting that a fighter who perfects the textbook style is inferior to a great fighter who does not base their game on the textbook style? Whatever, this is a waste of time.
     
  3. Hawks28

    Hawks28 Active Member Full Member

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    I agree 100%. He is pretty far from just basic. Even if he does end up losing to Joe.
     
  4. MrStayman

    MrStayman Active Member Full Member

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    Oscar based his game very much in the fundamentals. Anyway, when people on this site call a fighter "basic," it has a connotation of mediocrity.

    Even if we do look at it from your perspective, then Kessler shows a lot more then textbook skills. For example, I said that he weaves around his opponents in the ring. At times, he displays the epitome of "textbook" footwork. But at other times, such as when he gets near the ropes, he displays sugar ray leonard type footwork. His jab and straight right to me are not what you would call textbook, but they are beautiful and effective.
     
  5. Astola

    Astola Its a fact. Full Member

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    Its orthodox. not ordinary.

    You are in love with southpaw Joe and was strangely in love with Taylor. But again. He was facing a pressure fighter. Weirdo.
     
  6. BennitheHill

    BennitheHill Danish journalist Full Member

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    Blocky weren't you supposed to be away for 6 months?
    Fun to have you back.. Keep thinking of them abs :D

    Cheers
     
  7. MrStayman

    MrStayman Active Member Full Member

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    Let's ignore the fact that Kessler has a great hook for the moment. Your argument is now based on this fact: Oscar used a hook as his primary KO punch instead of a cross. I hope you see why this is silly, but I won't hold my breath.

    You make the claim that a fighter who relies on fundamentals can not be p4p material. You are wrong. Kessler is nearly perfect in the fundamentals, but his skills do not stop there. His footwork, straights, and head movement are unique and go beyond what would be written in a boxing 101 textbook.
     
  8. Lampley

    Lampley Boxing Junkie banned

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    I fall in the middle on this issue. I would argue Kessler has a basic style, but he also possesses instincts for timing and distance that cannot be learned.

    Those are natural traits a fighter is born with in the same way we cite the athleticism of a Jones. The difference is that Kessler's greatest innate strengths are not as visible as a guy with the stunning handspeed or incredible defensive abilities, and his blueprint follows a more orthodox model.

    Now, having said that, we'll have to see to what extent these abilities translate against an elite, highly unorthodox fighter. On that point, Kessler doesn't possess the resume for observers to make a sound prediction.
     
  9. Brickhaus

    Brickhaus Packs the house Full Member

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    Part of the deal was he was allowed back for the week of Calzaghe/Kessler.
     
  10. MrStayman

    MrStayman Active Member Full Member

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    No, he isn't great at one thing. He's great at many things.

    Most people equate "basic" with "mediocre or good at the textbook style, but not great." I mean, Blocky's post was pure garbage. His argument is that no matter how good someone is at foot work, punching with jabs/crosses, head movement, and accuracy, they can not be pound for pound material. Stupid, stupid, stupid.
     
  11. BennitheHill

    BennitheHill Danish journalist Full Member

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    Okay.
    Fair play then :)
     
  12. MrStayman

    MrStayman Active Member Full Member

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    I said that he displays that footwork in the specific case in which he is being pressured onto the ropes.
     
  13. MrStayman

    MrStayman Active Member Full Member

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    Well of course you are going to say this. As you said, you "KNOW Calzaghe will win." Yah I'm exaggerating a little, but not much since I restricted my claim to the ropes. Kessler does not show anywhere near the footwork of SRL in the center of the ring. People see an ATGs name and suddenly go ape****.