How Could Anyone Say Paul Williams Beat Margarito On the Illusion Of activity?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by walk with me, Sep 30, 2008.


  1. MasterFlo

    MasterFlo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think this is just an issue of scoring with the 10 point must system, I thought it was 116-112 Williams but the rounds that Margarito won were more convincing then the rounds that Williams won, making the fight as a whole look pretty even. Maybe round 11 could have been a 10-8, but it doesn't seem common for judges to do that without a knockdown. I give so much props to Williams for coming out in Round 12 the way he did.
     
  2. walk with me

    walk with me Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    yo i hate when people bring up all this other stuff...

    the 3 judges are the only people who matter.... its not like all these newpaper columnists have any say in the outcome of the fight...

    they could be just as dumb as some of these posters
     
  3. walk with me

    walk with me Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    thats my point... paul william was knocking most boxers

    145 threw one sixty something out that night....

    margarito just has a iron plate in his face
     
  4. BENNY BLANCO

    BENNY BLANCO R.I.P. Brooklyn1550 Full Member

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    Wooy Doo so some people who don't know how to judge a fight scored it for Margo,who cares Paul won that even Margo admitted he lost after watching the fight himself.
     
  5. catasyou

    catasyou Lucian Bute Full Member

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    I'm just saying it wasn't a clear win,if it was everybody would have it for Williams,it could have gone either way,regardless of what you say.Might even be a draw
     
  6. walk with me

    walk with me Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    it was a clear win... if it was debateable

    larry merchant and those guys would have said something about it
     
  7. catasyou

    catasyou Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Those guys are obviously bias towards some fighters(altough PW is not one of them from what I saw) and are wrong in many,many fights in the past years.THE FIGHT WAS CLOSE
     
  8. Spitbucket

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  9. Bazooka

    Bazooka Pimp C Wants 2 Be Me Full Member

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    Look man lets just keep it ****ing real you are not a fan of the sport your a fan of who you like, meaning anybody else will not get the credit they deserve Paul beat Tony big ****ing deal that was last year right now Tony is the man at WW has come back with three knock out wins and captured two of the major three titles though he was stripped of the IBF he still won it.

    Paul hasnt won a MAJOR world title yet and as Floyd fans said before in the past regarding Tony, They said the same ****, He holds the WBOGUS title nothing special
     
  10. CarlesX7

    CarlesX7 Shit got real! Full Member

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    :thumbsup

    I had the fight a two-point win for Williams, also giving rounds 9 and 12 to Williams!
     
  11. NeckBreaknAiken

    NeckBreaknAiken Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Tony aint the man at WW... He ain't the man until he cleans the division out. Which he refuses to do, for some reason. He would rather fight for big money... So call it what it really is. He is now a business man.
     
  12. catasyou

    catasyou Lucian Bute Full Member

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    He has more victories on top men then any other WW,if he is not the man he is the no 1 contender in a vacant title division
     
  13. san rafael

    san rafael 0.00% lemming Full Member

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    I know how to score a fight, and I have the eyes of a ****ing hawk. Margarito won that fight on clean and effective punching, you must be the type who scores on activity and/or interchangable criteria depending on the circumstances. That's how most people score...
     
  14. san rafael

    san rafael 0.00% lemming Full Member

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    Indeed, and we know how punchstats/compubox can be. The actual connect rate is probably half that, particularly in the case of Paul Williams in this fight who was throwing punches for effect, rather cleverly, but not landing very much at all, overall, whatsoever.
     
  15. BENNY BLANCO

    BENNY BLANCO R.I.P. Brooklyn1550 Full Member

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    san rafael I don't want to get into no silly poster war with you,but I have gone over with you on this and why I scored the fight the way I did here's a post that I directed at you concerning this fight 2 months ago....

    I scored the fight 7-5 in favor of Williams but can defitnaly see if some scored it 8-4 in favor of Williams, there are many way to score a fight but each round circumstances should determine how you score for example in the fight with Williams and Margarito, I dont remember what rounds I gave who exactly but I do remember giving Williams at least 5 of the first 6 rounds and my reason for that is this, Williams was pumping his jab and throwing 1-2 combinations and when Williams was doing that Margarito felt content just to shell up and play defense which is very unlike him, and though the punches were'nt landing Williams was more active and Margo was'nt and yes your right we can't really determine if Williams punches were landing or not but if your a judge you have to assume in way that they are because he has the higher workrate.

    As for the rounds that I scored for Margo the reason I scored them for him is because he finally started to let his hands go and was clearly landing on Williams so in that case you score the round for Margo based off of clean effective punching, you just can't have one criteria for scoring a fight because you would ignore so many other intangibles and circumstances within the fight that eventually one can develop a bias without realizing it for instance if a judge criteria and only criteria for judging a fight was clean effective punching that judge might score a round for the fighter who's the bigger puncher or known puncher just because he knows that he is, so in a sense you have to go along with the flow of a fight.