How could one possibly say Pacquaio resume is better than Mayweather

GOW7 · May 2, 2012

If youre a casual fan who can just look at names it's easy to consider why Pac is regarded having a better resume. But for hardcore fans that know circumstances of Pacquiao's fights it's really clear that his resume and accomplishments are considered over hyped. A zombie Oscar. A zombie Morales who just lost. A ricky Hatton who almost went to sleep against lazcano. A punching bag Margarito. A war torn no confident Cotto with his conditioning coach as a trainer. Barrera of course is a great win. The weight classes is a farce especially with catch weights. I truly think if it wasn't the hate for Floyd Manny would not be anywhere close as sucessful as he is now. Quite frankly it's all just a popularity contest.

kwilson71 · May 2, 2012

Nonito Smoak said: ↑

I think Mayweathers' is better, but I acknowledge it as being close and could potentially see how would could rate Pacs' better.

It is the blind Pac fans who refuse to acknowledge it as being close which give their fan base a bad name. Honestly, you are kind of the same way right now. Pac has a great resume. Floyd has a great resume. Everything else is personal preference/value.

One thing I do find strange is that Floyd has been P4P top 10 since 1998, #1 or 2 for 6 years. Pacquiao didn't land in the P4P top 10 until 5 years after Floyd did, in 2003. People refuse to see this as having any kind of impact...
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This sums up my thoughts on it. I just believe Mayweather resume is slightly better. His biggest downfall is that he made just about everyone on his resume look like **** when they entered the ring with him. His resume is underated because his wins were so convincing. I do believe Pac resume is pretty damn good itself. And an arguement could be made either way.

JMP · May 2, 2012

klion22 said: ↑

I don't know, common sense?
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:yep

Brian · May 2, 2012

Mayweather has the better resume, especially when you dissect both of them. There's a lot of trickery in Manny's resume from 140 and up.

puga_ni_nana · May 2, 2012

klion22 said: ↑

I don't know, common sense?
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king khan · May 2, 2012

HawkFan16 said: ↑

Floyd is better in a H2H sense. That's almost irrefutable.

The best wins on Mayweather's resume are probably Diego Corrales (a very impressive win he deserves credit for), and a faded DLH (close but clear 7-5, 8-4 type decision). He deserves credit for a clear win in the rematch versus Castillo too. I'd say those are his three best wins.

Pacquiao, meanwhile, killed a prime Barrera, which is the best win on either fighter's resume. He also beat Morales twice, and scored debatable wins over Marquez (if you want to say Marquez beat Pacquiao, well, you can't try and say Mayweather beat Castillo the first time either.)

As for their common opponents, the DLH Mayweather fought, while far past his best, was still substantially better than the zombie Pac fought. Edge to Mayweather. As for Mosley, while both versions of Mosley that Pac/Mayweather fought sucked and were old and basically the same, Mayweather still decided to fight him first (even if both Mayweather and Pacquiao wanted no part of him in 2009 after he smashed Margarito, both men apparently deciding it would be sound policy to wait around and hope he would get older after a year. Which he did.) So Mayweather deserves a little more credit than Pacquiao for fighting Mosley and DLH.

Hatton, meanwhile, is a bit different. Hatton was always at his best at 140, where Pacquiao annihilated him, and not nearly as good at 147, where Mayweather broke him down and stopped him late. Just considering the weight, and the fact that more people thought Pacquiao would lose than people thought Mayweather would lose, Pacquiao's win over Hatton was greater.

As for Cotto this Saturday, while Cotto was basically training himself for Pacquiao, I don't think he was as badly drained as everyone likes to claim. Many people were favoring Cotto before that fight too. The main argument you have is that his trainer sucked for that fight, which is indeed true. However, Cotto didn't suddenly become undamaged after becoming a Mayweather opponent- the beatings Margarito and then Pacquiao put on him didn't disappear. The Cotto Mayweather will face is a bigger, different fighter with a better trainer now. If Mayweather beats him impressively, he'll deserve his share of credit, but people are still favoring Mayweather strongly over Cotto, which wasn't the case with Pacquiao. A Mayweather win over Cotto would be good, but unless he kills him inside the first 8 rounds, edge to Pacquiao.

This legacy thing also boils down to the fact that Mayweather left a lot more on the table than Pacquiao did. Pacquiao has done about 90% of what he could have done in a perfect world. He could have collected a few more scalps at lightweight for sure, and maybe at Light Welterweight, but did not. Meanwhile, Mayweather has only achieved about 65-75% of what he should have been able to achieve with his talents. But he simply didn't challenge himself much at all since moving on from lightweight. He would deserve all the respect in the world if he cleaned out 140 and took out the best rather than simply pwning Gatti before moving on, or if he took on everyone in a crammed welterweight field in 2007-2009 and beat them. Instead, he "retired" during that stretch, probably under the hope the field would thin itself and there wouldn't be demand for him to face some of those guys.

Lastly, the fact Mayweather and Pacquiao have yet to fight each other is a detriment to both men. Mayweather's unsubstantiated accusations and demands for blood tests made him look bad/scared, and Pacquiao's initial lawsuit response wasn't good either (I'd be offended if I was getting slandered too, but whatever.) Both probably think the other has a decent chance of beating them (even if their respective fanbases are more confident than they are), and since they're both megastars who can make loads of money no matter who they face, they don't want to risk ending the gravy train against each other. I don't think Arum wants to risk Pacquiao against Mayweather, but Mayweather's absolute insistence on dictating every term and not seriously giving ground to help make the fight is a black mark against him.

Mayweather's legacy is that of a man who only took fights he knew he could win and failed to challenge himself. He has ATG-level skills, but he doesn't have an ATG-level resume. He'd give his resume a major boost by beating Martinez, but there's no way in hell he'll ever do that because Martinez is a fight he might lose. Pacquiao, meanwhile, isn't as technically gifted as Mayweather by any means, but he at least took on much bigger men and on many opponents people thought would beat him or had a legitimate chance of beating him.

In short: Pacquiao challenged himself more, and has the most impressive win of either man, while both have a similar number of quality wins. Pacquiao mainly has the better legacy and resume because most will acknowledge he came close to maxing out what he was capable of, while more than a few Floyd fans will acknowledge that they wish he was more active and had fought more people than he did. Floyd didn't even come close to maxing out his legacy by producing an amazing resume, and his even said publicly that his legacy is less important to him than financial gain. That's why Pacquiao, as of right now at least, has the better legacy and resume. If Mayweather were to beat Pacquiao, fight Martinez at Middleweight and win, well, then his resume would finally come close to matching what his abilities would indicate he's capable of. But until he does that, his resume and legacy would both be underwhelming in relation to his abilities.
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I'd also add how Pacquiao beat Mosley more convincingly, because he put him on his ass, and had him wanting to quit. . . And Mosley managed to find that chin on Floyd (but at the same time kinda makes Floyd even better because it showed how well he handled it thereafter). . .

SLIGHT EDGE to Floyd for Mosley, still.

JudgeDredd · May 2, 2012

sbbigmike said: ↑

What did Barrera and Morales do to be touted so highly besides beat on eachother, they sure weren't fighting the Mayweather and Corrales of the world at that time:think

Its no pointatsch
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Please tell me you're joking??!!

king khan · May 2, 2012

JudgeDredd said: ↑

Please tell me you're joking??!!
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he's not.

puga_ni_nana · May 2, 2012

JudgeDredd said: ↑

Please tell me you're joking??!!
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*****s know no shame.

Galaxy. · May 2, 2012

Both resume's are great & imo very close, an argument can be made either way

pejevan · May 2, 2012

It is not even close!!!!

gayweather's best win is corrales, who is an overrated fighter to begin with.

clutch94 · May 2, 2012

Yeah, its not that close. Its like comparing Magic to Jordan...you respect it, but you immediately know the answer.

kingmiller8282 · May 2, 2012

pejevan said: ↑

It is not even close!!!!

gayweather's best win is corrales, who is an overrated fighter to begin with.
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Go jump off a bridge ****. :yep

Galaxy. · May 2, 2012

Pacquiao has those big 3, but Floyd dominated Marquez

I think G. Hernandez, Corrales, Castillo hold there own

Scar · May 2, 2012

sbbigmike said: ↑

A co-worker of mine got into a heated argument , after we were discussing the recent episode of 24/7 in office where Floyd was asking how many fights he has left, obviously being concerned about his legacy, then he blurts out Pacquaio legacy is far greater than Mayweathers, I usually try stray away from foolish conversations at work, but me being black I was sucked into this one, and then we got into a heated argument and got written up over it.

ESB how could one put Manny's legacy and resume over Mayweather's when he was fighting cans before Barrera, and the big names that didincrease his resume, Mayweather beat them first??????????????

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Pacquiao's resume is better and I'm a fan of both.

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