how could tyson have fought differently to beat holy & douglas

This. :deal

 

To answer that question, you only need to look at what strategies worked for the fighters that actually did beat Douglas and Holyfield.

Douglas was beaten in his very next fight when Holy jumped in and out and mixed up his attack, which prevented Douglas from finding a single style to settle into and dictating the pace.

Bowe beat Holy by making use of his advantages in height and weight, and out-skilling him at close quarters.

The question really isn't "What styles did Tyson fail to adapt?", but rather, "What (if any) styles was Tyson actually capable of adapting that he didn't?"

 

I am imagining we are two rounds into the fights and we realise these men are not going to fall at our feet like most thought, and a bit of thought when Ali was in this position against Leon Spinx he lost and he had the great Angelo Dundee in his corner and Spinx was no where near the fighter that Douglas and Holyfield were,really what advice can you give him but to hang in there, hold your ground and wait for your chance to do some damage.

 

I agree with itrymariti, he lost plain and simple.

 

Regarding Holyfield :
Use your elbows against his ramming head when you see him incoming .
Tyson could cheat as long as he didn't face a cheater ?
And what prevented him from butting himself ?
And I do think Holyfield head was a decisive factor , it was his best punch after all.

And I disagree about the right hand : Tyson was successful with it because Holyfield did not expect it , if Tyson used it more , Holyfield would have accommodated to it as well .

Regarding Douglas : I don't know. Maybe he should have pulled himself out of clinches , but Tyson tended to clinch himself.

 

if he jabbed moved his head threw combinations and used the lateral movement all the things he had under rooney id say he stops douglas in 4 and holyfield in 8.

 

The simple answer is 'TRAIN HARDER', he was lacksidasical and in neither fight was his stamina good enough, he just made too much money to maintain the hunger, in his early days he was demon with the road work, I think it can be safely said he largely abandoned the road work after the Spinks fight and never had the depths of

As for 'he's not good enough to beat Douglas', I don't think anyone believes that.

As for Holyfield, jab more, smash combinations to the body before uppercutting upstairs, whenever on the inside uppercut to the midsection or chin, although Holy's battering ram headbutt could neutralise all that

 

I agree he gassed against Holy, but against Douglas his conditioning actually looked quite decent. He still looked to have relatively much left in the 9:th after mostly acting a punching bag the previous 8.

 

If he was in shape and well trained he wouldnt have been a punch bag, great Douglas performance none the less

I think people were expecting too much of Tyson coming out of prison, locked up for 4years with little real exercise, lost all his stamina, lost muscle, got fat and they expect him to get back to what he was, it wasn't going to happen.

 

youve hit the hammer on the nail power. :good

 

Full credit to the men who win fights:good

 

I agree with you PowerPuncher, and I don't think those who followed Tyson closely, and know his career would say that he was totally in shape for both Douglas and Holyfield.

He looked half-decent against a very inspired Douglas, who probably gets finished when Tyson knocks him down in the 8th round. A mentally focused Tyson would have finished Douglas because he didn't have the killer instinct in Japan. Against Holyfield, he had the "bully" instinct, but a smart Holyfield didn't crumble in fear. Tyson forgot lots of skills against Holyfield and diminished much further by the time he got to Lewis. Tyson did land some good shots against Holyfield, but he wasn't working any punches off of the jab and showed little to no head movement in all three fights, Douglas, Holyfield and Lewis. A mentally strong, in-shape Tyson without all the media and Hollywood garbage probably beats all three, with Holyfield giving him the most trouble regardless any time they fought IMO.

 

That's kind of circular logic without hard facts to back it up: "- Prime Tyson in shape could never be outboxed and beat up. - Well, he was by Douglas. - But that Tyson clearly wasn't in any shape, since prime Tyson in shape couldn't be outboxed and beat up."

 

Hmm, another expert post by Ken Norton. Were Tyrell Biggs, Tony Tucker, Tony Tubbs, Pinklon Thomas, Carl Williams, and Larry Holmes not capable mobile boxers? Was Douglas far superior to all of them? He did get stoppd by Tucker and White, and lost to Jesse Ferguson.

 

EXACTLY
U only have to watch the Ruddock fights, Ruddock never pushed Tyson back, Pre Prison no one physically pushed Tyson around maybe apart from Douglas

After prison Mcneeley (FFS) had him against the ropes and was swinging away,
Mathis was outboxing him and pushing him around until he got caught,
Bruno 2 fight, theres a certain punch which vividly sticks in my head, Tyson hits bruno cleanly with a 1-2 and yet he falls back himself, When a guy hits another guy with a hard punch and falls back himself that tells you something
Even Holyfield pushed Tyson around physically.

He was NOT physically or mentally the same after prison

There was a certain twat that made the comment above that post prison Tyson was 95% of what he used to be......atsch