how could tyson have fought differently to beat holy & douglas

I was being very sarcastic.

 

WHere's the circular logic, he was not in shape or in training and thought he could overlook Douglas. You can not get to your physical peak if you do not train. And he's already beat similar boxers many consider better like Pinklon Thomas, Larry Holmes, Tony Tucker, Tubbs.

 

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Douglas had a fomular to win and had sound boxing fundimentals, was not intimidated and had a lot of reach on tyson. Douglas feinted the jab took a sly half step back, tyson bought the feint, came in as if to counter a jab with his left hook and buster let go with a combination geting all his shots off. Tyson kept buying the feints and was stranded on the outside like a sitting duck. he became discouraged he stopped moving his head and chewed onto his gloves in an upright stance not knowing what to do.

what would he do diffrently? there was no time to have more competative fights to season himself up enough to dig deep was there?. maybe he could have stop buying the feints, but maybe then he would get hit with real jabs? - he actualy tried this by stopping with the head movement but without being able to slide through jabs he would never reach douglas. tyson was a victim of his success. He got to the top too easily just like joe Louis against schmeling the first time. Louis adapted where as Tyson did not. it was character and temperment that was lacking.

 

against holyfeild tyson was in a competative fight but became distracted when he was cut and after complaining he got frustrated enough to let the demon into his head that was telling him he was tired and that he had not had a competative fight for a long time. He started thinking about holyfeilds bald head coming at him instead of digging deep. It drained him and holyfeild who stayed with his gameplan and was digging deep drowned him.

what could tyson do to change this? be more active in the years prior to the fight, not panic when cut, keep his head and fight, hope he could get back into the fight rather than cheat, attept to discourage or intimidate hollyfeild.

 

You said he lost because he was not in shape, but then said the "proof" that he wasn't in shape was that he lost. You used the very thing you were trying to prove as proof of the thing you're trying to prove.

Why not? Since when does a fighter being a "punching bag" mean he's not in shape?

 

Against Holyfield he should have jabbed more, boxed more, which is something he showed earlier in his career. He should have thrown combinations instead of just loading up one or two punches.

You could apply the same thing to the Douglas fight. Tyson went away from most of the things that got him to the top sometime after the Spinks fight. He used to be very elusive offensively, an underrated boxer with a great jab, great combination puncher, great body puncher. Without all those tools he became one-dimensional and that's why he had so much trouble with those guys.

 

Tyson was beat because he was green. for all he could do hed had things his own way, a lot of early wins and because he was so super talented not enough competative fights. He did not have the temperment to dig deep anyway often feeling sorry for himself and losing focus in frustration. he lost to good fighters when still a great fighter. he became one dimensional when he ran out of ideas not because he declined. when things were going great for him he was always great.

 

Douglas on that night was better than these boxers he gassed against Tucker and was in much better shape and he was just superior to the other boxers mentioned and I am talking about an old Holmes not a prime one.

 

No Douglas was not superior to the boxers mentioned. He lost to a few of them. Yes he was determined and in top shape, but Tyson, by most accounts wasnt, so that certainly helped Douglas out that night. This myth that Douglas turned into some super fighter for one night, and could beat any fighter on that night, is not true. Douglas was just the best he could be that night, and that was good enough to beat Tyson. Could have been any number of top heavyweights that night had it not been Douglas.

 

Sorry Bruv, My Bad
Apologies
U cant tell on here sometimes

 

Name the top Heavyweights at that time who would beat Tyson the only one I give a chance to from the list Tucker, I don't see Biggs, Tubbs Williams or the rest beating Tyson even on that night they just didn't have it in them.

 

Not being lazy as **** on the inside would of helped.

Tyson was never strong in the clinches, but his work on the inside and against being tied up in these bouts was nowhere to be seen.

 

i) train properly ii) use the excellent footwork and head movement he showed in his prime iii) throw more combinations rather than going for one-punch KOs

If he had done those he would have won both fights IMO.

 

Douglas was far from (being a) bum. How many bums could win decisions over McCall , Berbick aside from KOing a prime Tyson and stopping Mike Williams ?