How DANGEROUS is Margarito???? VERY!!!

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  1. BITCH ASS

    BITCH ASS "Too Fast" Full Member

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    Margarito is an extremely dangerous fight for anyone in the division, but especially for Cotto.

    People tend to overlook this because he was beat by Williams, but people don't seem to realize that Williams may be the only guy that can beat Margarito, and the fact that Williams is not Cotto and Cotto is not Williams.

    Williams could likely beat any welterweight in the division. The only guys that I think would give him a fight would be Cintron, Cotto, and perhaps Margarito again.

    Cotto would do better than Margarito because his short stature would allow him to get underneath Williams' jab, and leave the very tall Williams open if he decides to throw an uppercut. If Cotto can stay on the inside against Williams he can use his mauling strength and viscious body attack to wear Williams down and possibly KO him in the later rounds.

    Cintron is likely going to be outboxed, but he's improved since his defeat against Margarito, and his power is always an equalizer. It's not certain whether or not Williams has a decent chin, but that's because it hasn't really been tested. Don't necessarily expect Cintron to test it either. If Margarito, who's maybe an inch taller than Cintron if that, had trouble getting inside on Williams, Cintron, who's more reluctant to get hit will have just as much or even more trouble. There's always that puncher's chance though.

    Margarito may be able to beat Williams if he neglects a little defense for some offense and goes to William's body early. It's a possibility that Margarito could win, but as in the case of Cintron, he'll likely have to knock him out.

    While Golden Johnson was a C class opponent at best, it was hard not to notice Margarito's improvement. He was punching straighter and his uppercut which he can throw from the outside and inside and with both hands was as lethal as ever.

    Concerning Cotto, everyone that's seen the man fight knows that with his crouching, body attacking style, that he is vulnerable to an uppercut.

    People can counter by saying that Margarito leaves himself open when he throws the uppercut, but this is no longer true if his last few fights are any indication because Margarito noticably drops his shoulder when he throws the uppercut leaving little opportunity for Cotto to counter.

    While Margarito often neglects his height because he's a fighter at heart, the Clottey fight showed that he is capable of fighting at a distance, and the Williams fight showed that he is very good at blocking punches when he wants to.

    This combined with a straighter, faster right hand, means it's going to be a hell of a difficult fight for Cotto as he is forced to come inside and deliver his body attack, which many feel he must do to win anyway considering Margarito's solid chin, and long, somewhat lanky, and questionable body, (he's been down twice in his career from body shots).

    Against Floyd, Margarito will be able to do what Oscar was either incapable or looked uncomfortable doing. He'll be able to throw the left uppercut/hook to the body at range and sometimes catch Mayweather as he's rolling to his right to avoid Margarito's right hand, (a tactic Margarito used very well against Lewis, (right hand, left uppercut), as Lewis was against the ropes.

    If Oscar, not normally a pressure fighter and a lesser fighter than he was in his prime, was able to push Floyd against the ropes and in the corner, it is highly probably the Margarito will be able to do the same, and against the ropes is where Margarito shines.

    A guy aside from Williams that I see giving Margarito trouble is Cintron. Cintron has improved a lot since he was last in the ring with Margarito, but so has Margarito. It is possible that Cintron may tag Margarito enough times on the way in to make him reluctant to attack or even put Margarito down, but I think that Margarito's pressure, workrate, toughness, chin, and psychological advantage, (he made Cintron quit the first time they met), will win him the fight once again.

    So don't disregard Margarito. He is still dangerous and capable of beating any welterweight out there.

    If you want a beating, fight Margarito.
     
  2. BITCH ASS

    BITCH ASS "Too Fast" Full Member

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    But at the same time, Clottey has better defense than Cotto and a better chin. Clottey also looked like he especially prepared to block the uppercut because everytime Margarito threw one, Clottey blocked it with his elbows or gloves.

    The only place that Margarito had success landing the uppercut was to Clottey's stomach, but fortunately for Clottey he can take a hell of a beating as indicated in the 5th round when it looked like Margarito was the only one punching, and in the 9th when Margarito wailed on Clottey in the corner for a good 20 seconds.

    I'm not sure that Cotto could take that kind of punishment, but I do agree that Cotto hits harder than Clottey, especially to the body.
     
  3. BITCH ASS

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    His technique looked better though.

    His right hand was much straighter and he drops his shoulder when he throws the uppercut.

    This might have been due to the quality of his opponent, but it's gotta destroy the arguement that Margarito is nothing but a C class fighter at best.

    I think he's one of the most, if not the most, dangerous guy(s) in the division.
     
  5. dangerousity

    dangerousity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I think he beats Cotto but Floyd UD. You would think that if he simply bullrushed Floyd like he did Johnson as a HW would bullrush a LW and overwhelm with power and size he may have success. Im inclined to think though that after he receives a 5 punch crisp combintion from Floyd after trying that, he'll change his mentality. I think with his reach, durability and big power, he spells big trouble for Cotto naturally.
     
  6. mattress

    mattress Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He's still in the mix.
     
  7. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    Where was this talk after Williams got in that ass and beat him at his own game?:lol: I've been around long enough to know Johnson was brought in to make Margo look it good shouldn't impress anyone. Its the same old Margo who will lose when he steps up to the elite at 147.
     
  8. Quik

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    I think if he can hurt Williams early in a rematch, he will be able to beat him because once he caught Williams flush a few times around the middle of their bout, Williams wasn't the same anymore. When Margarito can hurt his opponent a few times early in the fight, he will win except if the opponent his very strong physically and mentally, as was Daniel Santos for example.

    Cotto is very strong in both ways but i feel like Margarito would beat him by decision by landing way more punches.

    Cintron would get knocked by Margarito again since he can't handle his power and although he improved a lot since their first bout, he hasn't fought a world class puncher and he wouldn't be able to hold much longer against Margarito.

    I don't know about PBF. He was never really hurt since he fought Castillo and i don't know if Margarito would be able to catch him early. I don't think this fight will happen anyways.

    Finally, it leaves us with ODLH who i feel doesn't have the hearth to get into this kind of fight at this point.
     
  9. psychopath

    psychopath D' "X" Factor Full Member

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    Margarito/Cotto would be another 50/50 all out war . . . if you ask me.

    That's how dangerous Margarito is. :yep
     
  10. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    Margo didn't do **** against Williams he was shut out the first 7 rounds and punched himself out on the 11th and Williams took his heart away in the 12.:deal
     
  11. BITCH ASS

    BITCH ASS "Too Fast" Full Member

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    If you read my thread, you would see that I pointed out that Williams may be the hardest welterweight to beat, especially for Margarito.

    He doesn't have the power to knock Williams out with a single punch, and he's too tall to effectively get underneath William's punches.

    Williams may be the hardest guy to beat, but Margarito is the most dangerous.
     
  12. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    Learn how to score a fight most people saw it that way.
     
  13. Chileno606

    Chileno606 Gentleman & Scholar Full Member

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    Margarito would be a very tough fight for Cotto...it would be a complete war. Margarito's size, his uppercuts, and his over-hand right would cause Cotto a lot of trouble.
     
  14. thesandman

    thesandman Boxing Addict Full Member

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    People make it sound like Williams won the fight 120-108 FFS.

    Williams is a very good, very very tall welter.

    Margo is a hard punching, top 5 or 6 welterweight. Anybody that thinks that kind of fighter REGARDLESS of who they are isn't dangerous, is just a ****ing idiot.
     
  15. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    No harder than he normally does Paul throws an insane number of punches in every fight.
    I think Williams would give Cotto and PBF hell.