How did 200 lbs become the standard minimum weight for HW?

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  1. MixedMartialLaw

    MixedMartialLaw Fight sports enthusiast Full Member

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    From what I understand 'Heavyweight' boxers from years past weighed in as low as the 170s. Things were eventually standardized to 201 lbs and up as being Heavyweight, however how was that number selected.

    I've heard it said a man over 200 lbs can beat a man at any heavier weight, why not it being 210 lbs or 220 or 195 lbs etc.
     
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  2. HistoryZero26

    HistoryZero26 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    4 main reasons.

    One reason is fighters of all height carry more weight now while back then lighter builds were favored. Some guys who had the height and reach of a "superheavyweight" opted to carry 250 pounds but many were like 210-220. Small guys carrying more favors the big guys on average because the small guys are giving up their advantage. Small guys carrying less are more likely to outpoint big HWs even if thats not in the individual fighters best interest.

    Another big reason is CW. CW has artifically kept all but the best 175-200 pounders from going to HW by putting another weight class in between on the ladder. Back then you didn't have to be the LHW champ to get a fight with a top HW. And smaller guys getting results against bigger fighter perpetuates itself and makes everyone look better at HW H2H and then they get oppurtunitys and so forth. With no smaller guys at HW none of this happens. If Beterbiev(example) can succeed at HW, hows he going to get a chance? How will we ever know?

    Back in the day fighters could campaign at 175 and HW at the same time. There is no CW combo fighter fighting HW then jumping back to CW. Most of the LHWs with HW feats did not solely campaign at HW they jumped back and forth.

    Boxers care more about their records now and do not want to take high risk fights. While smaller guys can succeed at HW that doesn't mean they can maintain their pristine looking records they keep as lesser weights. Back then a loss to a respected opponent hurt your career a lot less. You could be an elite fighter with 5-10 losses or more. Thats done now if you aren't named Derek Chisora.
     
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  3. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    Try 154.
     
  4. The Undefeated Lachbuster

    The Undefeated Lachbuster On the Italian agenda Full Member

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    anabolic steroids made the average heavyweight bigger + 190lbs cruiserweight was made after a couple 6'3 220ish types dominated for a long while, which made everyone 195-176 fight at that instead of HW. This is in combination with the fact that people tend to freak out whenever a bigger fighter beats a smaller fighter. There were calls for a "dreadnought" class after Primo killed Schaaf. Its very reactionary and based on blind instincts that are typically misguided
     
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  5. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    Joe Louis made those dreadnoughts look like false alarms
     
  6. Mandela2039

    Mandela2039 Philippians 2:10-11 Full Member

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    Ahh Joe Louis, how could anyone make me not love you..
     
  7. dmt

    dmt Hardest hitting hw ever Full Member

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    It can be 195 lbs of course. But the 195 lb guy must carry a lot of force. I think the guys who weigh 205 lbs and up carry more power than the ones who weigh between 185-195 lbs on average. But there are many exceptions of course.

    I think it was selected in a somewhat arbitrary manner. We haven't seen a sub 200 lb guy have high level success since the 80's when heavyweights started to get bigger. Whereas Holyfield, Moorer etc. have had success while weighing between 200-215 lbs. So i guess it became the limit.
     
  8. dmt

    dmt Hardest hitting hw ever Full Member

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    You hit the nail on the head. I even think a guy like Beterbiev (in his prime, not now) could have had some success at heavyweight but he likely would have lost to some of the bigger men. So he never took the chance to move up.
     
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  9. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    They moved the cruiserweight limit up to 200 in the 2000's.