How did Alfredo Evangelista ever get 2 title shots?

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  1. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    Who did he beat to get 2 title shots against Holmes and Ali?

    In 1977, Alfredo Evangelista had a record of 14-1, and was coming off an 8 round decision loss to Lorenzo Zanon, and with no real wins over anyone special, yet Ali fought him for the title. About 18 months later, he received a second chance against Larry Holmes after having a similar streak of wins against seemingly unranked opposition.

    Although he held a continental title at some point, his career record reflects the accomplishments of a man who was little more than a mere journeyman.
     
  2. ChrisPontius

    ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 Full Member

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    He was lucky to be at the right time when champions were looking for easy title wins. Maybe Holmes thought Evangelista had a bit of a name because Ali beat him, and he wanted to do it quicker to overcome his minority complex with Ali?
     
  3. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    Well,

    Evangelista sure had life easy as a contender.
     
  4. Street Lethal

    Street Lethal Active Member Full Member

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    It has to do with the sport being international and the value of giving people from other places a shot at the world title.
     
  5. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    And I'm not opposed to such a concept, except a fighter still needs to earn his recognition justly, or we run the risk of deluding the very idea of equal opportunity.
     
  6. My dinner with Conteh

    My dinner with Conteh Tending Bepi Ros' grave again Full Member

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    1st time: Because The Drake was ducking Foreman rematch.

    2nd time: Because The Mallard was ducking any decent contenders. :good
     
  7. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    LOL :lol:

    Both are probably true. Frankly, I'm surprised that Walter Santemore and Bob Stallings didn't receive title shots.

    Now that would have been equal opportunity
     
  8. Street Lethal

    Street Lethal Active Member Full Member

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    I agree. But I think that is what was at work here.
     
  9. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    At one point, Lucien Rodriguez, Alfredo Evangelista and Lorenzo Zanon slapped each other around like the three stooges. All of these clowns were given title shots, and fights with big name contenders.
     
  10. Duodenum

    Duodenum Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Evangelista's shot against Ali was extremely controversial. Somehow, he managed to obtain the lowest ranking that would make him eligible for a title shot. Ali was coming off his rugged 15 rounder against Norton, which was preceded by his being hospitalized to have his legs drained of blood following the Inoki fiasco in Japan, and with Shavers in the wings, he was probably seeking an easy title defense to determine if he had enough left in the tank to continue. Evangelista was only aiming to last the distance, and do well enough to establish himself as a credible contender for the EBU HW Title which Lucien Rodriguez had just won from Coopman. (Within four months, Evangelista had dethroned Rodriguez.) Ali and his handlers, being publicity conscious, were certainly also mindful of the fact that Evangelista was a native of Uruguay boxing out of Spain. Being the attention seeker Ali always was, this was a convenient way for him to get the attention of three continents at once. Geographics and demographics.

    Evangelista's title shot against Holmes was far less controversial.

    After Larry's war with Norton, he was looking for an easy defense against a reasonably credentialed but safe contender. As Evangelista had previous gone the distance with Ali, had held his EBU title for over a year, successfully defended it over the 15 round distance, and also had never been floored or knocked out, it was part of a good promotional card to hype up an eventual anticipated Holmes/Norton superfight rematch. (On that undercard, Kenny scored a one punch knockout over Randy Stephens in three.) Because Evangelista had never been floored or stopped, this defense was a good showcase barometer for Holmes, still largely an unknown quantity as a new champion, and an opportunity for him to cut his teeth as a defending titleholder.
     
  11. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    An interesting narrative Deen.
     
  12. Duodenum

    Duodenum Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'm trying to be nice to the European posters on ESB. This is supposed to be a "world" championship. Hence, EBU and British champions occasionally would get title shots. (But yes, it's my understanding that Lucien, Alfredo and Lorenzo are Spanish for Larry, Moe and Curly.)
     
  13. Duodenum

    Duodenum Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    T'anks, Bloss!
     
  14. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    Do you suppose that chicken Alfredo was a dish named after Evangelista? Perhaps this is a recipe that even Bean fart used in preparation for some of his matches.
     
  15. timmers612

    timmers612 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I remember someone in print called him Alfredo the tomato, and oh was he awful! I don't believe Ali trained a week for him except maybe for extra bowls of ice cream and it was such an awful half sparring session.