How did Beterbiev slip under the radar?

Thats a fight man, could see Kov ud'ing him, pure boxing Kov's special, long range and light on his feet with thudding power, then i can see Beterbiev cancelling everything out late...I dont think we saw a true Prime Kov where as Beterbiev will get everything he can out his career, a true professional ****ing monster

 

Proper post this, totally agree. Guess we just have to be content with him breaking people, no big vegas shows with AB

 

I see what your saying totally. If it was a fight for the last man standing I'd agree, AB is the last man standing, I just think Kov can squeeze by in a 12 rounder, 15 and it's AB. Then I think, how does kov take that in close power, the ragging, short powerful shots whilst being subtly manhandled, like everyone would be, a few brutal body shots might slow kov down. It's what Serge said, mouthwatering.

 

Some people really buy into these inflated amateur records from eastern Europe. You guys seriously think these guys are going 300-0 against quality opposition? Do you ever wonder why these guys are so reluctant to take the headgear off ealier and make some money instead of donating brain cells to the amateur system? Something just doesn't add up

 

It doesn't add up, because you are totally ignorant about their situation. It is much harder for an Eastern European fighter to get signed by an American promoter than it is for a fighter from the USA. They need to be an Olympic medalist or a world champion to get noticed. Ever wonder why Kovalev boxed for 3 years for free because he had no promoter? How many boxers are willing to do that? They rather stay amateur longer, and try to make some noise there, instead of turning pro and fighting for free without a promoter, because no one wanted to sign them.

 

Gennady Golovkin pretty much opened the doors for fighters from ex-soviet countries below heavyweight, do you think that fighters from Uzbekistan, Russia or Kazakstan were getting the same kind of offers that amateur fighters from the US and the UK get?. Why risk your chances in a career where a single loss can permanently hurt your value as a fighter when your government is giving you a monthly salary and a potential job after you retire?. Also, it's obvious that they don't have all of their fights against top opposition but they go to international tournaments and fight 5/6 top fighters in the span of a week, I quick search to some of his amateur fights and you will find wins against multiple world champions and contenders as well as decorated amateurs.

 

Getting your brains beat in for a flat government salary when you can leave and take control of your own career makes no sense to me if you believe in your own abilities. That reasoning makes sense for your run of the mill fighter but not your lomas usyks and gggs

 

Lol, management is 90% of your success as a boxer, why do you think that Kostya Tszyu moved to Australia to turn pro or Yuri Arbachakov moved to Japan to start his career?. Promoters weren't handing deals to Soviet fighters until recently, Usyk, Lomachenko and GGG are part of a new generation and so are guys like Akhmadaliev putting Uzbekistan on the map but is not like pure talent gets you TV spots and title shots.

 

Idk what going outside the US to turn pro has to do with staying in the ameteurs for 300+ fights. This is the story I always get when I ask this question and I'm just not buying it because it's only from 1 part of the entire world you see these 30 years debut as pros with monster amateur records and more often than not they never do anything to warrant the hype as pros Loma and Usyk are the first 2 and they would have benefitted greatly by becoming pros earlier they gained absolutely nothing by waiting until they were in their late 20s

 

So, they were supposed to start their own management and promotion company or what?. These guys are boxers, they fight, there's nothing to do if you are not getting offers, a lot of the talented amateurs that MTK Global and Matchroom are signing would still be amateurs if not for them, Hasanboy Dusmatov?, Olympic Champion and Val Barker winner, he ended up signing with a shady South African company until MTK bought him out, Zhanibek Alimkhanuly?, World Amateur Champion, he was fighting at small cards and casinos until Egis Klimas gave him the chance. What are the chances of a fighter from a foreign country having the connections to speak to a Bob Arum or Eddie Hearn when their matchmakers are lurking at the Golden Gloves and ABA tournaments?, guys like GGG and Lomachenko opened the door for a new generation but is not like all these great amateurs were getting tons of offers back in the day.

 

This.

 

I dont know why people are surprised that Beterbiev's career has been stagnant compared to Kovalev, Canelo & Golovkin.

Those three put in the work to get where they're at meanwhile Beterbiev has been happy living in a cave having fought just 15 times in 7 years.
Blame his lack of world wide exposure and career growth on his poor management.

 

A lot of them don't turn pro, period. They don't see the need. They're very fairly compensated by their governments for representing their nation in international tournaments. They've already proved themselves in their eyes and the eyes of their countrymen. Who can blame any of them? The best fight the best in the amateur system. There can be no disputing it (outside of blatant robberies, obviously) when all of the best fighters have to fight each other. No picking and choosing your opponent. No stalling. No pricing yourself out. You fight or you forfeit.

There's a lot more to it, but just on that basis, would you turn pro in their shoes? Would you leave a life where you're a nationwide hero, work a six figure job of your choosing, and have proven yourself to be the best? For a mere possibility at achieving success in a foreign land, in a different variation of the sport, where only the top 1% live better than you're living now? If so, why?

We got lucky with Loma. Other guys in his shoes wouldn't or didn't turn pro. I can't blame them.