How did Cotto's Gameplan go south?

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  1. Longhhorn71

    Longhhorn71 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Cotto was beaten fair & square.

    If you were his trainer.....was it your gameplan....
    or the Granite Chin Punching Machine that did your fighter in?

    A week from now somebody has got to objectively answer that
    question.
     
  2. PH|LLA

    PH|LLA VIP Member Full Member

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    it was definately the fact that Cotto landed his best shots over and over again and Margarito shrugged them off and kept coming.
     
  3. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    Instead of taking a knee twice in the 11th, Cotto should've used his failsafe move; the nut punch. Look what it did for Tito against Vargas. If he hits Margo with a hard, well timed punch to the nuts Margo would probably need at least a minute or two to recover. He may still have lost, but he would've made it to the next round, and who knows what would've happened in the 12th.
     
  4. pugilistspecialist

    pugilistspecialist Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I wouldnt say he used the wrong gameplan....people just say that now because he lost.

    When you are facing a pressure fighter, who is stronger than you and has a great chin...you have to use angles, counterpunch, go to the body and keep a consistent jab. Cotto's stamina is what did him in, also his inability to clinch on the inside to conserve energy. There is a different between brave and smart. I'd rather survive by clinching than go out on my shield and lose a fight I put so much into.

    This fight reminded me of when I used to box and my trainer tried to teach me a lesson. When I first started sparring, I overwhelmed guys my size with my speed, strength and power. One day he tells me to come in and I have to spar 5 rounds with a kid I had virtually every physical advantage, except strength, stamina, and height. My trainer asked me what Im gonna do if I cant just blow a guy out.

    I learned the hard way, jab, moved, took my hits but eventually the body shots and jabs helped me eke it out. His game plan was fine, he needed to make a few adjustments. Go back to the drawing board and I give him a shot to win the rematch.
     
  5. fitzgeraldz

    fitzgeraldz And the new Full Member

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    Clinch on the inside ... double up that jab ... and focus downstairs ... don't let this guy build up any momentum ...

    Roll with this ****ers punches and counter w/ a straight punch ... don't be scared of this guy ... he ain't doing **** but walking forward and swinging ... this isn't boxing.
     
  6. Longhhorn71

    Longhhorn71 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Big Reg:

    Darn....i had forgotten all about the nutpunch......like a nuke, it must be used at the proper time and with complete surprise. :good
     
  7. P.4.P.G.O.A.T.

    P.4.P.G.O.A.T. Q Boro Killa Bee Full Member

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    Simple - he did nothing but hit a famously granite chinned guy in the head for 11 rounds - only way to beat Margo is to the body - supposedly Cotto's specialty. He ignored the body and it cost him.
     
  8. fitzgeraldz

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    they wouldve had to take a point away from Cotto if I were his trainer ... because if he's getting in arms length of Cotto ... i'm telling him to clinch until the ref seperates them and when they're seperated be prepared to throw the 1-2 combo because he's going to walk right into it.
     
  9. PH|LLA

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    Margarito definately used a few well timed nut punches in those early rounds.
     
  10. Atritionist

    Atritionist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It was just Margos ability to walk through every thing Cotto blasted him with and the pressure Margo applied, It just kept increasing! Margo landed very few shots early on but they were effective, mostly body shots that payed off as the rounds went deep. I don't think Cotto could of done anything to beat Margo, he did his best and still failed.
     
  11. Ambition_Def

    Ambition_Def **** the people. Full Member

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    Yea because walking forward and punching isn't boxing. :rofl

    You are ****ed in the head dude. Seriously.

    As for the OP:

    The gameplan wasn't the problem. Team Cotto I am sure knew that if Miguel couldn't hurt Tony that he would be in a world of hurt. But they had to believe in their power. That is precisely why Miguel put everything he had on those punches early. Some of them were real nasty. But that big chin stood up to the test.

    What probably surprised them coming back was Margarito's power. Even though Tony landed at a 20% clip, Miguel looked like he had been mauled by a bear.

    If Cotto just tried to potshot and run and grab he would have been way down on the scorecards. He might not have been so badly beaten and would have gone the distance but nobody is going to give you the benefit of the doubt when your opponent is chasing you around the ring.
     
  12. CJLightweight

    CJLightweight Lightweight Kingpin Full Member

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    isn't that how valero fights?:think
     
  13. RafaelGonzal

    RafaelGonzal Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    No stamina, no body punching, gave Margo too much respect and allowed him to gather momentum and finally steam roll him. Cotto is at his best when he is on the attack.
     
  14. pugilistspecialist

    pugilistspecialist Boxing Addict Full Member

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    pretty much. Dont forget Daniel Ponce De Leon.
     
  15. Ramshall1

    Ramshall1 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Cotto did everything he could to try to win. . . he tried banging with him, standing toe to to and he tried running from him. Simple fact is none of it worked enough for him to not get beat down and the reason and credit for that goes directly to Margarito - give the man the credit and respect he earned, God knows Cotto does.