How did Frampton look out there?

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  1. CathyBarry

    CathyBarry Active Member Full Member

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    The cut might have affected him a bit, believe or not some people can feel faint and drained for a while even with a stupid little cut.

    I would like to see him fight Warrington next, good fight.
     
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  2. lencoreastside

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    At last! A sensible, balanced assessment. Thank you Hattonmad! As you say, Carl ALWAYS Slowed in the mid rounds, even on his best nights against Kiko, Quigg, Leo Santa Cruz etc. Also as you say this guy was not here to make up the numbers....he was big tough and people forget he had sparred Frampton in the past, which means he knew all about Carl and how to deal with him. Absolutely nothing surprising at all that this guy was not a pushover.

    I have conxpcerns for Frampton at 126, as I've outlined above, but I've no major concerns about the performance he turned in against Horacio Garcia.
    Excellent post, Hattonmad!
     
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  3. hap

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    You could say he shouldn't be gassing against lower level fighters to the same degree he might against top flight comp but it's forgivable given the change in camp and the debacle of his last fight falling away.

    He looked sharp and rust free in the early going, that tells me he just needs to up his conditioning. I'd be more worried if he looked like he'd lost a step from the off.

    Hopefully the stick he's taken over this fight lights a fire under his ass. His two best career wins came after a similarly underwhelming performance against Gonzales, so it's in him to raise his game.
     
  4. navigator

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    When Frampton's departure from Cyclone and his new set-up were announced, my forecast for the 'rebirth' wasn't optimistic, and going life and death with a decidedly limited (if professionally dedicated) fringe operator in Garcia certainly seems to suggest leaner times ahead.

    It'd be fair to say I've never been too impressed by Frampton to begin with. He's long relied on a brand of powerhouse athleticism that served him well enough against decent title-holding super bantams, but has started to fail him 4 lbs north, where the opposition has not only been bigger than at 122, but a little cuter. Anyone who had watched Santa Cruz attentively over the years should have been less surprised by how the rematch went and rather more taken aback that he didn't box as diligently the first time around - his habit of fighting down to overmatched opposition (Santa Cruz Control) had misled many fans as to who was the more technical and versatile fighter in the matchup, and the tendency of many to conflate notable hand, foot and reflexive speed with consummate timing, footwork and defensive technique fuelled the misconception further still.

    Even in Frampton's signature winning displays, the flaws were quite visible - at a certain level of competition, once his typical sprightly start is out of the way and his energy and reflexes start to taper off, he shows himself vulnerable and a little wild in the resulting exchanges of fire, especially to left hooks (which accounts, in part, for why I think Oscar Valdez will hand him his first stoppage defeat if they meet). Even Scott Quigg was timing him and coming off better in the exchanges down the stretch of their fight. Leo Santa Cruz did it moreso and with more variety, as well as exposing Frampton's relative lack of comfort when forced into a front foot role.

    As Frampton's athletic quality gradually dips going into his 30's, he'll be laid more and more bare.

    And if, as I suspect, Frampton's performance peak is already behind him, the unravelling of his association with the McGuigans combined with nagging thoughts of family and retirement should only accelerate his journey through the downside of his physical prime. Moore is a lazy selection, one I can only put down to thriftiness and amenity. As much as I'm no great advocate of Adam Booth as an overall technique coach, he tends to gel well with fighters of Frampton's makeup - given that Carl's getting long in the tooth and his style is largely set in stone, Booth would've been a good pick for continuity, tweaking and squeezing the most out of what he does and what he has left to give.

    I expect he'll have to settle for his career best result coming against an underperforming Leo Santa Cruz. Not shabby, but not elite.

    (Incidentally, for whatever reason, the official scorecards in both LSC fights overcredited Frampton, giving him overly wide winning margins in a close first encounter, then darn near stiffing Santa Cruz in a return bout that should've yielded clearer scores in the latino's favor. In light of that, it's no surprise that Santa Cruz wouldn't fancy going to Belfast for the rubber match.)
     
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  5. lencoreastside

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    You're a waffler!
     
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  6. navigator

    navigator "Billy Graham? He's my man." Full Member

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    Well, I'd be lying if I said I hadn't steeled myself for your disapproval. :lol:
     
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  7. lencoreastside

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    Good comeback :)
     
  8. Southpawology

    Southpawology Boxing Addict Full Member

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    As i huge Frampton fan, i thought it was one of his worst performances on Saturday night...

    Yes he was coming back from a layoff, yes he has changed trainers and team but let's be honest the one thing that got him through that fight was his talent and ability.

    IMO he has made a disastrous decision picking his new "team". He could have chosen anyone in the world to train him yet he picks a novice trainer who was an average fighter at best during his hay day.

    At this stage of his career he needs an experienced trainer to fine tune his tactics and get the best out of him. Instead hes picked an amauter trainer who has zero to no experience in training and mentoring during the fights in which Frampton only wants to be a part of....

    Even as a fighter was Jamie Moore a smart boxer-puncher like Frampton? Did his tactics in fights win him world titles? Has he trained anyone at world level standard? Has he ever come up with a well thought out game plan to outfox another boxer using his fighters best attributes? The type of tactics a skilful fighter like Frampton needs

    Did anyone actually listen to their conversations between rounds on Saturday? It was laughable

    And thats before we even get onto MGM management or w/e they front as...

    For me both Moore and Macklin were standing in the ring at the end with cheesey grins on their faces still astonished Frampton signed for them... Its unbelievable

    For me because of his decision with his management and trainer Frampton days as a world class fighter are finished, yes he may get some decent wins but Saturday nights showed they will all be hard fought from here on in and once he fights a world class fighter with a world-class trainer its good night...

    And my last point, where the hell was one of Frampton's best attributes on Saturday night.... his footwork? it was non existent even in the first few rounds before he started blowing

    As a person who followed his career since his amateur days, i am devastated with the choice he has made
     
  9. lencoreastside

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    I agree with you about his choice of management and trainer. I was baffled myself. Think you are overstating his deterioration though. For example Quigg went to a top gym and world elite trainer and he has looked a lot worse than Frampton ever since. Carl's major problem is that he does not belong at 126. He is simplytoo small.
     
  10. Rudy

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    Looked brilliant in the first 3 rounds. Beautiful potshotting

    After that it was an underpar performance - 6/10.

    Seemed to look tired .. poor stamina/fitness. Got hit too much
     
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  11. CathyBarry

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    Frampton should lay of the beers too, him and McGregor like a drink and both have bad stamina issues.
     
  12. sjp17

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    I think a world title at a weight up will be difficult unless he is well matched, I am not convinced he will fight much after 33 years old.
     
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  13. lencoreastside

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    He hasn't fought that much BEFORE 33 years old either! Another inactive boxer. Inactivity is a cancer that is killing boxing and ruining careers.
     
  14. lencoreastside

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    He hasn't fought that much BEFORE 33 years old either! Another inactive boxer. Inactivity is a cancer that is killing boxing and ruining careers.
     
  15. sjp17

    sjp17 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I totally agree , look at khan two fights in three years , then he expects everyone to buy his next big PPV !
     
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