How did JMM become elite if his only claim for fame was a KD 4 times against pac?

If fighter "A" had been put on his ass by fighter "B", lets say twice, and I had fighter "A" winning the fight, lets say by two/three points, then I would score the fight for fighter "A".

Hows that? Does that make sense?

I score the fight for the boxer I felt accumulated the most points (kd deductions included); does anyone else do it differently?

 

This is a stupid comment! Fights are not scored on an overall "who did you think won" basis, but on a round by round basis for 12 rounds. If a fighter goes down on his ass in one round then fair enough he should lose a point off that round's score. However, if he scores more points than the other guy over the remaining 11 rounds by a bigger margin than he lost that round then he's still the winner. Whether he was on his arse in that round does not affect the scoring of any other round.

Incidentally, I think the one point for a knockdown is a very misnderstood concept even amongst professional judges these days. I have seen any number of fights lately where a fighter can score a flash knockdown and automatically get a 10-8 round even if he;s getting his ass kicked for most of it. One point should be exactly that, i.e. if the guy is losing the fight and scores a KD it's a 9-9 (or 10-10) round.

 

Incidentally, I agree with the thread starter on this one. JMM's reputation as an "elite" fighter is based almost totally on his two razor thin fights with Pac. Whilst these evidenced his ability (also the fact that he has a stylistic advantage over Pac), take them out and most of his record is unremarkable for a guy talked about as a potential HOF fighter. Hell, Hamed has a better resume if you ask me!

 

this thread is complete ****,jmm beat pac twice btw,**** what the judges say.

 

why cant jmm kd manny???

 

Cause Manny's legs are tree stumps. Try KD a tree stump.

 

why cant manny ko jmm?why cant he convincingly beat him?

 

you mean he doesn't move?

 

If you can't understand that metaphor, I can't help you.

 

and so with jmm, he beat manny only in the eyes of his fans. It's double blade like you.

 

Oh you mean manny is so powerful, there goes your metaphor.
LOL

 

Fair enough it, on a round by round basis, you scored more points to Pac (including a 10-8 in the third, or a 10-6 first in fight 1) then fair enough, he won the fight. However, those points are incorporated in the scoring of that particular round. If, this means that more points go to Pac over the course of the fight fair enough. However, you can't score other rounds to Pac simply on the basis that "marquez was down in round 3 and the benefit should go to the guy who gets the KD".