How did Lomachenko lose to Teofimo Lopez and Devin Haney

He lost to a couple of neophytes that aren't even ATGs and people won't stop making excuses for him. Too small, short arms, too injured, bad refs, corrupt judges, etc.

The truth is that other fighters have succeeded where he has failed and it is a bad look for the supposed ATG.

He should've handled a 16 fight Teo who has gone on to look utter **** in every other fight outside of Taylor.

He should have wrecked a 23 year old Haney who had never been in a big fight and was crying to his dad in the corner; should've done more than 7-5.

But he didn't.

Dude is overrated on the big stage.

 

Loma never adapted to the pros or just doesn’t have the gas tank and never would have done as well as the amateurs. There’s no excuse for how he fought Haney the 12th round other than he was gassed.

 

Serge, with all do respect, and I mean that. You need to stop with this narrative about Loma fighting in a division that he is undersized in and then rail against opponents out weighing him. It's not Haney's fault that Loma made an informed decision to fight in a division 2 weight classes above what he should be fighting in. Fighters know what is going on in their sport. Loma was fully aware that Haney rehydrates 2 divisions higher come fight night, yet Loma put zero weight clauses in for the Haney fight. I know you're a big fan, but have you ever stopped and asked yourself why he makes such dumb decisions? Fights Lopez with a bad arm, fights Huge Haney without a rehydration clause, fights in a division that he is undersized in. I mean C'mon man. He is his own worse enemy.

 

Garcia is way bigger than Loma. Not really a fair comparison.

Loma should have stayed at the lighter weight classes. He's more effective at the lighter weights.

He's a tiny guy and gives up too much in reach and physicality as he boxes larger guys.

As others have mentioned, he and his corner seemingly don't quite understand the pro game.

He came to the pro game late and with the arrogance of someone with a hugely successful amateur career.

Obviously a talented boxer but I'd say a combination of arrogance, lack of understanding and mismanagement have limited his effectiveness in the pros.

 

Loma is a little overrated and also came up too far in weight. He's still world class at his current weight but not as much as when he was fighting at small divisions. Nothing shocking about that.

 

@Serge

Loma simply wasn't as good as you insisted he was. Great fighter, but not an ATG. You can be a fan of a guy but still acknowledge reality. History will remember him the way I describe him, not the way you describe him. Try as you might to argue otherwise.

I actually agree that he'd have had a better pro career if he'd been able to boil down to lower weights for longer. He's been fighting above his optimal weight class. He was awesome against GRJ.

Note that Loma arrived late and was not able to do what Haney did, which is to use his youth to make larger weight cuts. And now you see Haney unable to be as effective as he is forced to move up. I realize it was one fight, but does anyone still think Haney has a future at 147? He has problems at 140.

Loma at 135 is akin to Haney at 140+. World class and capable of being champion but increasingly vulnerable and occasionally outgunned. It was more true for Loma against Lopez than against Haney, of course, as Loma arguably won the latter bout.

 

Alright, first off. Loma beat Haney and Salido. That's a given. But secondly, he did lose to Teo. Not only because of his gameplan or him starting late or whatever. It's also because Teo didn't allow him to.

Lot of people discredit or ignore how Teo negated Loma's usual tactics in their fight. Which was a high level chess match than people give it credit for. Just watch how Teo took away Loma's use of angles and frustated him to go for broke in the 12th.

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Legendary.

No fighter is above criticism, including obviously Lomachenko.

Morons, however, insist he shoulda dominated yo! opponents a decade or so younger over whom he enjoyed few physical advantages. It's not merely a function of size (height, weight etc) but also reach and, critically, athleticism. Haney and Lopez, for example, are bigger and longer with comparable speed.

More importantly, though, by not receiving the decision he deserved against Haney, Loma was deprived of the opportunity to unify against Tank.

Unifying at 135lbs, which I believe was a very attainable goal since I've always believed he was no worse than even money against Tank, at his advanced age and with his physical limitations would have absolutely put Loma in the ATG discussion.

 

Most people think he beat Haney. It was a close fight but Loma should have got the W there.

Lopez clearly beat him though. Loma apparently had a shoulder injury, but he also had an awful game plan.

 

"Extra credit for being small"
"Extra credit for having short arms"
"Extra credit for being older"
"Extra credit for being less athletic"
"Extra credit for hypothetical victory over Tank"

... Have I missed anything?

 

Yes.

You: Loma's punch output against Haney was a joke yo!

Me: Show that Loma threw more punches than Haney in 5 of first 6 rounds and more than 150 overall

You: But Shakur and Haney throw with intent yo!

Me: Show that Haney, not Loma, was hurt in the fight and that Loma's KO % was slightly better than Shakur's

Those are some examples of your "analysis" on Lomachenko that you conveniently omitted.

 

It's funny how Loma got hit more in round 12 vs Teo than Jamaine Ortiz did in just about their entire fight. LOL.

Look, Vasyl Lomachenko will never not be short with t-rex arms. If you want to grade him with a curve for struggling with guys he should handle easily -guys that have been handled by others- so be it.

I just don't think he's all that great.

 

It is called boxing politics.

 

Completely different fights, Loma didn`t throw a punch for the first 6 rounds v Lopez who went on to dominate Taylor, he also hurt Loma while all Haney did was land a straight right to the body here and there.