how did mike tyson lose to a 42 to 1 underdog ?

To be fair, Buster barely made it to his feet relative to the ref’s count - per that count Buster only hauled himself up at about 9 and 1/2 - that’s shaving it very close - and he was
still on wobbly legs.

We’ll never know for sure but just imo, rather than Buster deferring to the ref’s count, I think Meyran’s count and it’s obviously slowing meter deferred more to Buster and where he was at in respect of his ability to arise.

Meyran repeatedly looked around when he was tolling the latter end of the count which became slower between tolls - that’s when the count became most significantly elongated.

After Meyran tolled “9” he dropped tools, making no attempt to motion for “10” - and as I said, Buster only arose a good 1/2 second after Meyran had already tolled “9”.

But again, as with any so called long count, we’ll never know for sure if a fighter could’ve arisen earlier if necessary.

The long count certainly wasn’t Buster’s fault and he shouldn’t have suffered for it nor be officially second guessed on it leading to an incorrect reversal of the result.

 

Mike got hit more because of the way Frank fought him - dirty and rough. Holding and hitting, hitting on the break etc.

Mike got in close via head movement on a number of occasions only to be heavily clutched by Frank and belted at the same time.

Uncharted territory for Mike - if not, who did that to Mike so effectively otherwise? Bruno knew exactly what he was doing and it worked for a time.

Like I said, it was heading toward a garden variety early round KO but Frank’s tactics upset the apple art. An opponent could actually belt Mike and throw Mike off his game also.

Mike was becoming frustrated and angry with Bruno’s tactics and Frank buzzed him good also - Tucker did same early also to 87 Mike - so it wasn’t like Mike couldn’t be tagged with a hard shot early.

Due respect but it’s as I said previously, analysis of Mike is often made as if he was fighting alone in a vacuum.

The logic can often be circular also - meaning, if Mike got hit more, then the conclusion defaults to belief that there must’ve been something up with Mike as opposed to what the opponent was actually putting to him.

Just imo, while Mike had good head movement, the perception of its consistent application reached exaggerated and mythical proportions after the fact.

Basically, even before 89, Mike’s head movement wasn’t always in play, and particular less so the longer a fight went.

As to Tokyo, Buster was hitting Mike hard and often from the outset - that type offence takes from any fighters fuel tank.

However, there were times when Mike’s head movement did allow him to avoid/slip punches - he simply couldn’t avoid all that Buster was putting to him - and Douglas’ ram rod jab played no mean part.

After the KD in round 8, Mike saw a notable resurgence in round 9 - getting in and hurting Douglas on a few occasions - even landing another ripping uppercut which fortunately, for Douglas, caught Buster while had the ropes at his back in support. In open ring, it could possibly have dropped Douglas again.

But, in the midst of that resurgence, Buster fought back hard and took the play away from Mike.

So, I personally didn’t see Mike performing as badly against Douglas as his purported lack of conditioning would’ve certainly dictated.

 

Yeah Mike had weight problems when he was with Cus.

 

nah, seen that fight so many times. Sure Buster only rises to his feet at nine but he’s clearly waiting for the refs count. The ref is looking right into his eyes from about a foot away. The ref knows he’s fine.

It’s smart really as he takes the full count and the bell rings almost immediately after he gets to his feet.

 

Respect for your opinion but we do see it differently.

 

#NoExcuses

 

wasn't this after the Given's interview and Mike was on some anti-depressant meds? someone may have a better memory on that? mental preparation goes a very long way....a very long way.

 

I remember watching it live on tv. Bruno was great that night, in terms of giving everything you got.

 

You're absolutely correct, we've seen hundreds of counts like that over the years. When you're talking egregious, you've only got to go back to last year with Wilson v Navarette. Now that's agregious!

 

Douglas probably fought to the best of his ability & heart that night, with Tyson being unfocussed, and not fighting to the best of his.

Bottled lightning really, it happens when the stars align!

 

Tyson lost to Douglas due to Douglas's superior boxing skills and a knockout in the tenth round, creating one of the most significant upsets in boxing history.

 

Whether Tyson was overrated is subjective, and factors like weight fluctuations and personal issues can affect a boxer's performance. Douglas weighed approximately 231 pounds (about 104.78 kilograms - one convert) during his fight against Mike. So here is the simple answer.

 

any real source on this 42-1 claim? that would make Tyson a 1.02 favourite, odds only reserved for British prospects v career loser jobbing journeymen in 4 or 6 rounders

I know American sports betting was in the dark ages back then, but that quote has always seemed an exaggeration

 

Douglas was a very good fighter on his night. His performance in that ring that night was incredible, to anyone who understands boxing. It was more about him fighting amazing than Tyson under performing imo. That version of Buster prob beats any version of Tyson. The amazing jab, speed and range was too good for him.