How did Monzon manage to rack up soo many draws?

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  1. Arcane

    Arcane One More Time Full Member

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    9 draws, don't think i've seen a fighter who had a similar amount of fights with that many :think
     
  2. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He is from Argentina...

    If you look at Argentinian fighters they do tend to have a lot of draws compared to fighters from other countries. This is because anything resembling a close fight would be scored a default draw. The theory is a fighter must win a ten rounder by seven round to three to gain a win, anything else traditionally goes down as a draw.
     
  3. bodhi

    bodhi Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Back in the days in Argentine when a fight was close it was always a draw. For example Hopkins-Calzaghe or Pac-JMM would have been draws there.
     
  4. bodhi

    bodhi Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Beat me to it. IMO that´s actually a pretty good thing, I don´t think that many close fights actually deserve a winner.
     
  5. Lester1583

    Lester1583 Can you hear this? Full Member

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    If i'm not mistaken unless you won a fight by 4 points margin it was scored a draw.
     
  6. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Referee's discretion.
     
  7. Vic-JofreBRASIL

    Vic-JofreBRASIL Obsessed with Boxing

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    Not only in Argentina.....in South America actually......
    Jofre had draws too, when the fight wasn´t a very clear win.....
     
  8. Vic-JofreBRASIL

    Vic-JofreBRASIL Obsessed with Boxing

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  9. DonBoxer

    DonBoxer The Lion! Full Member

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    Its important to remember for most of his career he was the away fighter in Argentina or Brazil. He was the man on the road.

    Notice how almost all of the draws were against fighters in their home town in Argentina or in their own country. I wrote a big thing about it in a Monzon thread about a year ago and when i looked into it a lot seemed very very shady. Also as has been mentioned in a fight where one fighter dosent have a clear dominating win the fight was scored a draw mainly in Argentina and Brazil, especially with the power the ref has to call the fight.

    Monzons 3 losses:
    Lisandro Guzmán- Home town fighter.
    Felipe Cambeiro- Home town fighter. Although he had Monzon down a few times.
    Alberto Massi- Home town fighter.

    Monzons 9 draws:

    Celedonio Lima- Home town fighter.

    Andres Antonio Selpa- Home town fighter. (Immediate rematch in Monzons home town where he took a UD)

    Emilio Ale Ali- Home town fighter.

    Manoel Severino x 2 - Home town fighter. ( Both fights took place 2 weeks apart)

    Ubaldo Marcos Bustos - Home town fighter.

    Bennie Briscoe- Neither man in home town. In Argentina so Monzon would have been favored.

    Juan Aguilar- Home town fighter.

    Carlos Alberto Salinas- Not a home town fighter. Lived in the USA but he was Argentinian and had a big following in Argentina.
     
  10. Legend X

    Legend X Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    I like the way these South Americans score.

    If a fight is close, it's a draw.
    I mean, if there's any room to debate who the winner is, why not have a draw ?

    I don't understand this obssession with winner/loser decisions, or the idea that you should "find a winner for every round - don't score them even !" .... what the **** is that **** about ? If they fought evenly, they fought evenly.
    No one would dispute an even round in the gym, but somehow when the stakes are high they want to "find a winner" and rob someone.
     
  11. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    But unless the fighters mirror each other exactly for three minutes, then the way a fight is supposed to be scored, someone has won the round. The problem is not the scoring it is the system...