How did this fight affect your opinion of Taylor?

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  1. MrStayman

    MrStayman Active Member Full Member

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    How did this fight change your opinion of Taylor?
     
  2. El Bombasto

    El Bombasto Ask yo momma Full Member

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    My opinion is unchanged. I still think Taylor is an outstanding boxer.
     
  3. MrStayman

    MrStayman Active Member Full Member

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    I made this a poll, but I guess I just don't know how to make one correctly. Anyways, for me, he went from an overrated hype job who only cares about money to a guy who has been disrespected for stupid reasons. I bought into the anti Taylorism big time, and am ashamed to have done so.
     
  4. Boom_Boom

    Boom_Boom R.I.P Boxing 6/9/12 Full Member

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    Still a fan, not quite the result i was hoping for
    (Pavlik winning but with JT getting the respect he is owed)
     
  5. Ambition_Def

    Ambition_Def **** the people. Full Member

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    Same opinion. Big strong (now super middle) with overrated boxing skills. Just because he had Manny in his corner I think people fashioned him as some superior boxer that he never was.

    He has alot of heart which is what got him through the Hopkins fights, but in the end he's gonna lose to the bigger guys who can dent his chin. Even at 168 I see most of the top guys at comparable speed and skill, but more power in general.
     
  6. Dorfmeister

    Dorfmeister Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I second that and would add that with Pat Burns, he did more to get away from the danger zone. Built some kinda blindfolded elitism after the Hopkins wins and the Kronck Gym label.
     
  7. MrStayman

    MrStayman Active Member Full Member

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    I have a question for people who post these "overrated" comments. Is he overrated because he is perceived to be an all time great, or is he overrated because he is just an average fighter who is (was) perceived to be a current pound for pound?
     
  8. compukiller

    compukiller Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He confirmed my opinion that he is massively overrated and is not yet at a true championship level of boxing.
     
  9. Ambition_Def

    Ambition_Def **** the people. Full Member

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    I don't think his p4p status is overrated personally. I think he won those fights with Hopkins on heart, and that holds merit.

    What I mean by overrated is that alot of the people who figured Taylor would win figured he was the superior boxer with superior handspeed and defense. That clearly was overrated to me. Alot of people wrote off the fact that Hopkins hit him at will and said "hey thats Hopkins!" rather than really seeing the truth that Taylor was easy to hit.
     
  10. compukiller

    compukiller Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The 2nd one.
     
  11. peter5

    peter5 Marco.A.Barrera Full Member

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    I still think he has problems in his game, but he was looking solid until that round 7!
     
  12. Dorfmeister

    Dorfmeister Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He is not overrated, actually he was systematically underrated by the Ring Mag... Ambition_Def's comment is clear sighted and mentioned overrated skills and Manny Steward - Kronck Gym quality label... When you suggest in interrogative mode that he is perceived as ATG, you are overrating him as much as others underrated him, JT was a Top 10 P4P and that is in the past tense, this loss cannot be ignored...
     
  13. Alo2006

    Alo2006 R.I.P Sean Taylor Full Member

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    Only an idiot would say JT is overrated. He still has improvement to make, but a lot of fighters have that to make too. Pavlik showed heart and power, but he's going to have to make some improvements as well if he wants to hold on to them belts. JT has fought top fighter 5 times in a row, give him a break. Losing might be what he needed to get to that next level. Only time will tell.
     
  14. compukiller

    compukiller Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    JT's had a few too many breaks already. :bart
     
  15. MrStayman

    MrStayman Active Member Full Member

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    I'm starting to understand this argument now. I think the general claim is that the American middleweight scene has been average since Taylor took the belt from BHop. BHop was 40 years old at the time, so his loss was presumably due to age, and it was a transition to the current era, in which the middleweight division is watered down and weak. Evidence in this lies in Taylor's poor performances against "junior middleweights and feather fisted welterweights." Pavlik, although a step above Taylor, is also average, or just slightly above.

    Is this the general idea that Euros have been constantly stating?