How did Tyson Fury and Muhammed Ali go from glass jaws to granite chins

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  1. xnico

    xnico New Member banned Full Member

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    anyone with a scientific explanation
     
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  2. miniq

    miniq AJ IS A BODYBUILDING BUM Full Member

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    Never had glass chins in the first place

    Every time Fury has been dropped or hurt he takes follow up punches & happily absorbs them all, just like Ali did. All of the men who have dropped Fury followed up with bombs which bounced off him.

    Difference is with Ali/Fury is their legs remain very strong & they are mentally still in the fight. Ruiz Jr too.

    Fury being such a big man he still can't be physically bullied when he is hurt either.

    Also when you land your best punches, the guy gets up, you land your best follow-up punches and that man is still standing unfazed it properly takes wind out of your sails, it really does. That mental process of, "wow I can't finish this guy" takes it out of you...then with someone like Fury he quickly follows it up with his own offence which Ali didn't often do, Ali used to clinch and drag it out to be safe when he was hurt.

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  3. Surrix

    Surrix Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Normal troll thread.
    Yeah, it depends from what you call a glass jaw.
    Boxing fans usually are ppl who never had boxed.
    1. variant: dropped fighter automatically does have glass jaw. Does not matters even if with a body blow or pushed down in clinch etc.
    2. variant : glass jaw cos boxer had been dropped by head blow ( chin etc ). Some fans include there also effect from rabbit punches etc things.


    Ali really had been dropped in 60 ies fe by one boxer who had approx 20 lbs weight disatvantage vs Ali. This still does not means that he had " glass jaw " cos he was just dropped.
    Another boxer had lost 1 fight due to f*****ed shoulder and another fight due to cuts and cos some posters hate him, he was easily stoppable by their opinion despite he never had been down in pro boxing ring even for a count.
    Etc and etc.
    Ali had very good chin like this the same another boxer. This was what this was.
     
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  4. f1ght3rz

    f1ght3rz Ronaldoooo is crying in his caaaaaar Full Member

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    Fury hasn't a glass jaw. Yes, he was dropped by a Cruiserweight. And he was dropped by a lower level guy. But everyone can be dropped. The big thing about Fury getting dropped in the past is...he still had his legs. His legs were there and 100%. If you still have your legs, it's a sign of a strong chin and punch resistance. Getting dropped is one thing, but getting up and being on shaky legs is the IMPORTANT note you should take if you see a fighter getting dropped and making claims about the chin.

    Clearly the OP hasn't really boxing experience or knowledge.
     
  5. Surrix

    Surrix Boxing Addict Full Member

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    this.
     
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  6. xnico

    xnico New Member banned Full Member

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    i dont think you know your history because fury got wobbled in one fight, wobble bad
     
  7. On The Money

    On The Money Dangerous Journeyman Full Member

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    That Enry ammer would knock over most.
     
  8. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I would say no man who has held any version of any major sanctioning body's heavyweight title has actually had a glass jaw.

    Any heavyweight can drop any other heavyweight. And some have certainly had much better chins than others. Over time, older fighters who have sustained years of punishment may be less capable of taking head punches, but they could all take it as well as dish it out when they were at their best.

    But I wouldn't say any of those fighters had a classic glass jaw. Not even guys like Floyd Patterson or Oleg Maskaev, who could look really shaky at times. Not guys like Ken Norton, who had the "reputation" for folding against punchers. Not guys who seemingly gave up easily, like Charles Martin. Not Michael Moorer. Not even Roy Jones who, after beating Ruiz, developed a shockingly bad chin after decades as an amateur and pro, because it certainly WAS NOT the case when he faced Ruiz. Not even Charr, who has literally been knocked out by cruiserweights AND shot in a drive-by shooting.

    None of them were "packing glass" as I've heard some say.

    You can watch big guys on Youtube get blown out by one punch in street fights or in sparring sessions. You can see big athletes in other sports get wiped out by shot. You can even see guys who appear ferocious get destroyed in MMA from seemingly light punches.

    But you have to be able to take a good shot -- better than most humans can - to ever get to the top in heavyweight boxing. If you can't, you can be the biggest, strongest, most athletic dude in the gym, but you never get there.

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  9. Kratos

    Kratos Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Eitch ghee eitch
     
  10. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Tyson Fury doesnt have a glass jaw but lets be real he doesn't have an iron one. People mistake punch resistance with recovery. Amazing Recovery and instincts when hurt is what Fury possess. But chin wise he's arguably below average. He got rocked by pillow puncher Nikolai Firtha, was put on his ass and hurt bad afterwards by featherfisted Cunningham, got stunned by Otto Wallin and got dropped by nobody Neven Pajkic
     
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  11. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    If Tyson Fury has a below-average chin, name some guys with AVERAGE chins? Let's hear them. Then tell us who has, as you said, an "IRON" chin?

    So we know what you are basing this measurement on.
     
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  12. Surrix

    Surrix Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Charr had been switched off only by one CW boxer, in fact just at walking around weight guy was small HW boxer in prime Briedis with 1 punch.
    He had been stopped in distance also by Povetkin's younger than 37 y.o version, aka Povetkin with normal legs only via impressive and long combo with full pover punches, then also by Klit but only due to cuts.
    Charr also had been beatable on cards by decision but dude was tough approx 245-255 lbs HW boxer, looks that even a bit better chin than Chisora does have.

    Patterson had good chin.
     
  13. Dubblechin

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    All their chins have been fine.

    In a division where anyone can knock out anyone else, an AVERAGE chin would be a guy who got knocked out HALF the time he fought. (LOL)

    It's like the NFL. They say any team can beat any other team on any given Sunday, and, after 16 games, more than half the teams in the league finish the season with a 7-9, 8-8, or 9-7 record ... basically 50-50. Flip a coin.

    Same with chins at heavyweight. You certainly need a better than average one to even get close to the top. If you get all the way to the top, it's more than fine.

    There are a lot of people in the history of boxing who turned pro at heavyweight and were blown away and never saw the light of day because they found out right away they couldn't take a shot.
     
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  14. xnico

    xnico New Member banned Full Member

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    Glass jaw was an over exaggeration but he was only hurt by Firtha lol

    Thats the only fight he was on wobbly legs
     
  15. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Average Chin: Ron Lyle, Donovan Ruddock(good recovery similar to Fury), Shannon Briggs
    Iron chin: David Tua, Muhammad Ali, Vitali Klitschko, Oliver Mccall, Ray Mercer, Larry Donald, Old Foreman

    Punch resistance is not the same thing as recovery. Fury got dropped and hurt by somebody who was pillowfisted at Cruiserweight let alone heavyweight and him getting dropped and hurt by people who dont have any notable power whatsoever has happened numerous times so no i do not classify him as somebody with an iron chin unlike most Fury fans. Obviously though his chin isn't glass or he wouldn't be able to take blows from Wilder. What Fury has is good recovery abilities.
     
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  16. FrankinDallas

    FrankinDallas FRANKINAUSTIN

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    Ali never had a glass jaw...freaking casuals.