115-113 for Adamek, and I will once again note that the commentary in that fight was quite possibly the most biased I've ever heard on any broadcast, or at the very least on an American telecast. These were my initial thoughts on the fight if anyone cares to read'em. http://www.eastsideboxing.com/news.php?p=32456&more=1 :smoke
Flores' commentating was dog ****! It's a shame too, because he's otherwise well spoken, articulate, and a likable guy. I've actually met him before, and he seemed like a cool dude. But his commentating was ****ing atrocious!!! :smoke
Every commentator is going to exhibit some degree of bias at some point or another, as we are all inherently biased one way or another over certain things. But Flores did not even seem to be able to RECOGNIZE his own bias. I mean it was ****ing bad!! And his partner was no better, although I believe he was being influenced as if BJ had some kind of Jedi mind power over him. It was a **** show of the highest order! :smoke
Anyone who was more generous to Adamek than 9-3 for Chambers isn't living on planet Earth. Flores' commentary was one-sided because the action was one-sided. He was COMMENTING on what was HAPPENING. It isn't BJ's fault Adamek was so ineffective and providing so very little to speak positively about.
I dont care if you a person who had Chambers winning. Most people would agree your scorecard was ****ing terrible.You are in no place to complain about bad judging ever again.:good
Try giving it another watch...if you can endure seeing your idol get humiliatingly schooled by a one-armed "slapping" cruiserweight. :good
I never claimed to be immune from personal bias. I am human like everyone else, and I became a huge fan of Adamek on the very same night the Golota dream died at the hands of Brewster. That said, I have been writing boxing articles and covering fights ring side for over 7 years now, I've interviewed hundreds of boxers, including nearly 100 world champions, and a dozen Hall of Famers. Since I began the radio show 3 years ago, I always do my best to eliminate any personal bias I have and simply call it like I see it. I've also known you for many years on these boards, and every now and again we do see night and day on the cards. That said, do you really believe I scored the fight for Adamek due to personal bias? And that I thought Flores' commentating was ridiculously one-sided to the point that it bordered on disgusting? Honest question. I would think you'd know I genuinely do call it like I see it, and what I saw was a close fight that Adamek took over in the second half. Well IB, I'm just curious how you exempt yourself from the obvious self-admitted bias you had coming into this fight. I forget your exact words in the challenge, but I recall you being "certain" Chambers would win, "Just as you said ever since Adamek moved up to heavyweight"? Are you saying these long standing expectations going into this fight didn't sway your views and cause you to be biased, much in the same way Flores appeared to so many? I mean at the end of the day, for all of his one-sided commentating, Flores DID I believe score the fight just 115-113 for Chambers? And you had it 119-109 for Chambers? I'm not seeing it bro. You can call me biased, and you of course are entitled to your opinion. I value your boxing opinion, think you do amazing RBR threads, and I have and always will appreciate the years of help you've provided in the prediction league. That said, I guess we will have to agree to disagree on this one, because even if you DID see it for Chambers, I honestly believe your 119-109 score is just as ridiculous as the judge who had it that way in favor of Adamek. :smoke