How did you score Canelo's fights?

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  1. C.J.

    C.J. Boxings Living Legend revered & respected by all Full Member

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    Mayweather 110 - 118 loss
    GGG 112-116 loss
    GGG2 111-117 loss
    Castillp 113-115 loss
    Trout 113 -115 loss
    Cottp 115-113 win
     
  2. Leoh

    Leoh Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Canelo did not win a single round against Mayweather.
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    Golovkin dominated the entire fight in the first encounter.

    Golovkin clearly outlanded Canelo in the second encounter as well.
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    The fact that you don't see how these scores were accurate indicates that you simply don't know how to score boxing. Stick to Strongman Championship or MMA, boxing is too sophisticated for you.
     
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  3. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitantum Staff Member

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    118-110 Floyd over Canelo
    116-112 GGG (first fight)
    117-111 GGG in the rematch
    115-113 Lara over Canelo
    114-113 Trout over Canelo
    116-112 Canelo over Cotto
     
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  4. C.J.

    C.J. Boxings Living Legend revered & respected by all Full Member

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    Dang we were almost identical
     
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  5. Reg

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    Mayweather easy
    Beat Lara close
    Beat Trout close
    Beat Cotto close
    Lost 116-112 GGG I
    Draw GGG II
     
  6. DynamicMoves

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    Mayweather won easily.
    Trout close, but the open scoring screwed the fight and canelo likely wins without it.
    Golovkin wins both 8-4.

    Canelo beat Cotto.

    Have to rewatch Lara, and possibly Trout.
     
  7. elbonzoseco

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    The really interesting thing about this is the likelyhood of getting the actual decisions.
    vs Floyd virtually 0%
    vs GGG I 20%
    vs GGG II 40%
    vs Lara 50%
    vs Trout 60%
    vs Cotto 70%

    (I am referring to the public/media/expert opinion on those fights, I don't necessarily agree with all of them.) Yet he got the nod in every one of those fights that were remotely possible for him to get the W (with the draw being just as unlikely). The dude must be luckiest man in the world ;)
    It's just not feasible to claim there is no foul play (including bias and favoritism) involved, when coincidence is the least likely answer.
     
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  8. shadow111

    shadow111 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    All 3 judges disagree with you. The judges had Canelo winning 3, 4, and 6 rounds respectively.

    It appears that you are trying to use compubox numbers to argue that Canelo didn't win a round. First off, Compubox numbers don't score fights and anyone using compubox numbers to score rounds isn't scoring the fight themselves. We all know that Compubox numbers are unrealiable, some rounds are more inaccurate than others. But just for the sake of argument, taking a look at those compubox numbers, according to the punch stats, round 4 was even in total punches with both landed 14/38. And in 5 of the rounds, Canelo was credited with landing as many or more power punches than Mayweather. (in 2 rounds it says he landed the same as Mayweather and in 3 rounds it says Canelo landed more - rds 2,3,4,11&12) In addition, in 3 of those other rounds (1,8,&10) Canelo is credited with only having 1 or 2 less power punches landed than Mayweather.

    So that means that, according to compubox, in 8 of the rounds, power punches landed were about even. And in the rounds where Mayweather was credited with having a significant power punch landed advantage, in some of those rounds the jabs landed were close. In round 5 for example, Canelo was credited with landing more jabs than Mayweather with 8 jabs landed. In round 9, Canelo was credited with landing 7 jabs. Landing that many jabs vs Mayweather in a round is pretty good. As a comparison, according to compubox, Maidana wasn't able to land 7 jabs in any round of his first fight with Mayweather, while Canelo had 3 rounds where he's credited as landing 7 jabs or more vs Mayweather.

    So many of those rounds are close in terms of punch stats, even with highly inflated Mayweather punch stat numbers in some of the rounds.

    The Compubox numbers were much more one-sided in favor of GGG in the first fight than they were in the second fight. But on a round by round basis, the numbers in the first fight were very even. For example, in the first fight, there were only 2 rounds that GGG was credited with landing more than 5 more total punches than Canelo. Anotherwords every round except for rounds 8 and 9 were close in terms of punches landed. GGG also was throwing significantly more punches per round on average in the first fight. (it says he threw more punches than Canelo in every round except for round 2) If as a compubox operator you weren't paying close attention, you could be crediting with GGG punches landing where Canelo is slipping and making GGG miss or taking all the power off the punch by moving even if it's a connect.

    So on a round by round basis, the first fight was very close in terms of punch stats. GGG was credited with landing more punches in every round except for round 2, but aside from rounds 8 and 9, all the other rounds were within 5 punches landed. That's hardly dominant especially when that fighter was the fighter coming forward and throwing a lot more punches.

    Dominant according to compubox would be if most rounds in the first fight were like rounds 8 and 9, where GGG was landing significantly more than Canelo was landing vs the number of more punches he was throwing. And again, in rounds 8 and 9, we know Canelo landed by far the single best punches of those two rounds, the uppercut in the 8th and the big right hand in the 9th. Big punches like those are more impressive than many of those GGG was credited as landing, which is why you can't rely on Compubox for scoring a round you can only really use it as a guide.

    In the 2nd fight, the compubox totals were much closer however according to compubox, GGG had more rounds where he is credited as landing more than 5 more total punches. (4 rounds, vs only 2 rounds in the first fight) However Canelo's body punches landed were much more dominant in the rematch and Canelo had a much more dominant power punch landed advantage in the rematch.

    You're telling me that I don't know how to score boxing and that boxing is too sophisticated for me, but yet apparently you are scoring rounds based on the compubox numbers themselves which is the completely opposite of scoring a boxing match sophistically. To score a boxing match sophistically you need to, you know, actually watch the fight.

    Compubox numbers are unreliable when it comes to scoring a round. Simply put, if you are using punch stats to score rounds, then you don't know how to score boxing. Every punch credited as landed by compubox is not equal. One punch can be better than multiple punches depending on how it lands and how it impacts the opponent. And yet, in those 3 fights, according to compubox, on a round by round basis, there were hardly any rounds that was Canelo "dominated" statistically in terms of punch stats landed vs Mayweather or GGG. Sure GGG and Mayweather were credited as landing several punches more per round on average, but that's not dominance on a round by round basis. If anything that's landing a few more punches per round than Canelo, that's arguably "edging" each round by a hair, not dominating each round. And vs GGG in particular, Canelo was landing the better harder punches even if he was landing less per round. Vs Mayweather, Canelo lost because while many rounds were close, he couldn't land the kind of big clean impactful punches that he was able to land on GGG which swung some of the rounds.
     
  9. Mitch87

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    I cant rember the score card i had but


    I had Mayweather winning by a landslide.
    GGG just edging the first fight
    GGG comfortably winning the rematch
    Lara winning by 2 or 3 points.
    Canelo just edging Trout

    I haven't seen the Cotto fight yet.
     
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  10. shadow111

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    He must be the luckiest man in the world, that or he's just constantly exceeding expectations.
     
  11. Robney

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    Floyd = 110-118
    Golovkin 1 = 112-116
    Golovkin 2 = 113-115
    Lara = 114-114
    Trout = 114-113
    Cotto = 115-113
     
  12. elbonzoseco

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    you really don't understand stochastics, do you?
     
  13. Heavy_Hitter

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    Floyd 110 - 118
    GGG I 113-115
    GGG II 112-116
    Lara 114-114
    Trout 115-113
    Cotto 115-113
     
  14. Robney

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    Seeing most scores here, just imagine the difference in scoring from the official judges, who are often off by 6 or more points, which is completely ridiculous.
    And then some here keep denying that he gets favorable scoring.
     
  15. rakan

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    110-118 Mayweather
    113-115 GGG 1
    114-114 GGG 2
    114-114 Lara
    114-113 Trout
    115-113 Cotto
     

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