How did you score the Lewis-Holyfield bouts?

LOL, you found out my secret!

 

I tend to find people need reassurance that they are in the biggest crowd, before they start screaming about something.

My Dinner with Conteh you are right I was influenced by a children's programme, it was not Sesame Street though, rather Runaround.

The programme where kids pick an answer to a question and then look at all their peers and decide whether they need to change their mind...

 

It goes with your other great 'Look At Me, I'm Different' scorecards and opinions: Trinidad 116-113 Wright; Ramirez 120-108 Whitaker; McClellan KO1 Benn. Maybe you didn't get any attention as a kid..




ps. So, what FIVE rounds did you give Holyfield then?

 

When did I say Ramirez beat Whitaker? I am on record as saying Suliman fixed the first fight IMO.

I put a lot of money on McClellan beating Benn in a round, but clearly he did not.

I never had an opinion on Trinidad and Wright....

I think you might be confusing me with someone else, but hey thanks for the attention I lacked as a kid.

As a rule, my views are very orthodox, if slightly dated> I make no secret of losing my desire for the sport post 96/97 ish. I do play Devil's Advocate to create debate sometimes... I find this forum interesting because you do have quirky people on here, with some very unique views; not least you. That is IMO a very good thing, it shows you are prepared to stand up for yourself.:good

 

First fight : 117-111 Lewis
I gave Holyfield rounds 3, 9 and 10.

Second fight : 116-112 Lewis
I gave Holyfield rounds 5, 6, 7 and 12.

 

First fight - best Lewis' fight: great combinations, great jab and great workrate. Holy underestimated Lewis' skills and power. 117-111 or
117-112

Second fight - tough to score. Lewis' fans score it for Lewis, Holy's fans - for Evander. I had it 115-113 Holy. There were many close rounds. Very close fight, could have ended a draw.

 

Bump.

 

We had a similar thread on that topic in the general forum some time ago. Of the four Holyfield-lickers that came up with a scorecard, none of them could agree on which rounds their bald hero won except for the obvious ones. They all scored two or three different, extra rounds randomly-divided over the fight for Holyfield.

 

Credit where it's due, I remember it was Oirishman that was the only one not just to claim a Holyfield victory but also stick up a scorecard for it.

He had Holyfield winning 115-113...off the top of my head, I believe he gave Holyfield rounds 1, 3, 5-7, 9 and 12. I disagreed with him, but did thank him for sticking up a card.

Of course, you could point out the lunacy in proclaiming an outrageous robbery off a 7-5 scorecard, but that's another story...

As for the claim that several sports journalists at ringside thought Holyfield should've won, well yeah - that's true. What's also true is that they were also generally the guys that had been backing Holyfield to demolish Lewis in the first fight and stuck up very close scorecards (like Ron Borges' 115-114 Lewis card) or even draws for that one. Is it any wonder they're going to give Holy any possible benefit of the doubt on a close round in the rematch?

I remember Doug Krikorian having Lewis win just three rounds in the rematch. That's just the kind of inspired lunacy that's hard to match.

 

Orishaman, he's a funny guy.

He's the same guy that claimed Roy Jones is not a top100 pound for pound fighter. When he was challenged to name 100 fighters that are better, he came up with names like Franky Liles.

 

Those are my scores as well, although I won't complain if someone had a slightly different score. 7-5 on the second Holyfield fight for example.

 

Holyfield wasn't even competitive until the 5th round of the rematch.

 

I've said about the second fight before - I view it as a possible 8-4, or a strong 7-5. Like the first fight is a possible 10-2 or a strong 9-3.

It comes down to your own opinion, of which I'm in the 8-4 camp.
Holyfield increased his quality of work, but just didn't do enough in terms of quantity for me. Too often he was still bouncing on the spot trying to look busy but not throwing anything.

 

Well within a certain parameter it comes down to one's individual opinion, but not if for example you had Holyfield winning either fight. Then it's either an uninformed opinion or a biased one.

I've watched the second fight numerous times and I can't even understand how someone can get the fight closer than 7-5 Lewis, cause to get to there you'd have to give Holyfield the benefit of the doubt on all the close rounds, and truthfully, the fight wasn't that hard to score. All the other 7 rounds were clear Lewis rounds, with one or two rounds being up for grabs.

 

Well, of course I agree with you!

Turning point of the fight was the 8th round, for me.

After two great rounds, with his fans roaring and momentum on his side, Holy came out looking for a KO but just couldn't get close enough. Lewis went back to his jab, and noticably began to attack Holy's body and Holy didn't seem to enjoy that too much. That tactic slowed Holyfield down.

Holy had another go in the 9th, but lacked accuracy and walked straight into that right uppercut, Lewis's best shot of the night (and a great example of what a tough ******* Holyfield is!). The 10th and 11th slipped away from him, the 10th in particular was possibly Lewis's best of the fight, and though Holy deserved the 12th as he desperately threw everything he had left in hopes of a KO that was pretty much it.