SS, do you have your scorecard for the Griffith losses, I'm sure I remember seeing them somewhere but can't find them.
Harold Lederman was a judge for the 1st Holmes-Spinks fight. He scored it 143-142 (8-7) for Spinks. At the end of the 14th, two of the judges, Dave Moretti and Harold Lederman, had the fight even. The third judge, Larry Wallace, had Spinks ahead by two points. Lerderman was an unofficial judge for HBO for the 2nd fight. He scored it 144-141 (9-6) for Holmes. Holmes: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 9, 12, 14. Spinks: 6, 8, 10, 11, 13, 15.
You can get a taste of my agenda-driven take on Emile's fights here: http://www.boxingforum24.com/showthread.php?t=85954
Holmes-Spinks I I can't find my card. I know I've scored it at least once. Holmes-Spinks II 140-145 Holmes: 1,2,3,4,7 Spinks: 5,6,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15 Hagler-Leonard I'm not comfortable making a determination either way as I've scored it at least three times for Leonard- once very, very wide- but now I have it just as wide for Marvin. I like them both equally, and I'm reminded of what Richard Steele said on this very fight; that's exactly what happened to me too. Whitaker-De La Hoya 114-113 Whitaker: 1,5,7,9*,10,11 De La Hoya: 2,3*,4,8,12 Draw: 6
http://www.boxingforum24.com/showthread.php?t=186016&page=49#gsc.tab=0 You can find most of my scorecards around those parts :good
Would I be off-base in thinking Spinks clearly outworked him? The old guy wasn't putting up much of a pace, so I awarded the fitter, busier bloke throwing punches. I thought Spinks was the better man.
I can see the case for "hurting the opponent", but that's not the criterion I use. If you're hurting your man, I want to see it deter him. I'm not prepared to reward any fighter additional points for something unquantifiable; that seems completely redundant. The brunt of it for me lies in Holmes' inability to carry a sustained offense after the seventh round. He gassed, and I saw Spinks take over.
I can actually respect that. Some fighters handle punches differently. It's harder, in subtle occasions, to see whether a man is actually hurt. Obviously, there are times when it is blatantly obvious a man is badly dazed, but I suppose the round is then usually won by the barrage of follow up offense, or by a big knockdown. Interesting way to think about it. I scored Holmes-Spinks I 9-6 for Spinks. I scored Holmes-Spinks II 8-7 for Holmes. I scored Hagler-Leonard 7-5 for Leonard. I recently scored Whitaker vs. DLH 114-112, Oscar. I have scored it the other way, and have scored it a draw. That point coming off for the accidental cut is such a bs rule.