How do people have the nerve to say Harry Greb would be competitive in any era?

Because greatness is innate, it would transcend eras.. & he was great! Look at his brilliant resume & the things many other great fighters say about him...there is no way around that.. But if you are referring to the evolution of fighting, thinking that modern fighters are better than older fighters then i actually think the opposite.. you think if you threw these fellas today back to the same day weigh in, pre PED, fewer division, higher fight frequency, 6oz glove eras they'd be as successful? I don't.. those were harsher times in general & boxing's framework was more difficult to excel in & more taxing on a fighters body & overall health.. yet Greb thrived & managed to GOAT himself amidst it all.. hed certainly Excel in the easier times they have today.. yes you can talk about technique and nutrition and training methods but if Greb was operating today he would be a beneficiary of those too.. but the idea that these fighters today are vastly superior in comparison to their forebears skill wise is IMO horse **** too.. there is footage of many Fighters that Harry Greb fought (Tommy Gibbons, Gene Tunney, Mike Mctigue, Mickey Walker etc) & you can clearly see despite their differing styles how effective & skillful they were even by todays standards... I don't see some mass evolution in technique... Tunney could easily compete with Bivol, Opetaia, Beterbiev & even Usyk IMO.. & Walker held his own against HWs! You think prime Walker wouldn't run through Barrios or Romero LMAO.. even Janibek? Id favour Walker all day... Janibeks a talented fighter but pretty unproven...

 

A true gent & a credit to the forum.

 

4 wins and a draw tells me Tunney should easily convince anyone that Tunney was th better man.
There's on thing we have in common, neither of us ever saw Harry Greb in the ring so your guess is no better than mine.

If all fight footage of Many Pacquiao was deleted, people would read how he was the decieve winner again Jeff Horn.

https://www.boxingforum24.com/threa...quaio-vs-jeff-horn-popularity-judging.615380/

 

At the risk of stating the obvious, you can't tell how good he was from some footage of him shadow boxing, or some footage of him sparring with a sixty year old man.

 

They always drag up the footage stuff.. in the training footage of Greb he was nearing retirement, he was blind in one eye & he was sparring a retired boxer ATG Philadelphia Jack O'Brien who was in his mid 40s.. so Greb wasn't trying to display his full ability & he was going easy.. Another thing to note is that they were filming for a newsreel, this meant they needed good angles on him. In the sparring, he was fighting one dimensionally to stay in shot, normally, (evident from many fight reports) he would be moving around his opponent, changing angles, but of course the film wouldn't capture him properly if he did that. We have his resume & it proves he was damn good.. some tongue in cheek footage or sloppy exercise routine proves nothing.

 

Because they are honest to goodness boxing historians, and you are not.

 

Hi Buddy.
Thanks for your very kind words, means more than you could ever know, I tried, but it would appear my heartfelt words and advice fell on deaf ears, sadly I am withdrawing from any further correspondence with him on this topic, I am here for him in any other capacity, but not this .
stay safe Lonsdale81, chat soon buddy.
Mike.

 

Greb was a phenomenon, and it'd be incredible to see how he would have fared against the greats. He'd likely look out of his depth against nobody, right through a range of weights. However, there is an argument that the afocionados hate, and it is simply that newspaper reports and word of mouth aren't enough to secure ATG status. It depends on who you ask.

In boxing, Greb's mystique, the lack of footage, and his fearlessness help sell the idea that he's a top-5 ATG. He may well have been, but good luck arguing this case without being accused of being a casual. I think if there's one fighter that brings out the most bile on this forum, it is the Greb fanatics who think he is immune to criticism.

 

Was it a stuffed gorilla. It was a small plastic gorilla figurine you could fit into your pocket.

 

Greb is wiithout question a top ten all timer.

He lacked power but so did Floyd later in his career and Bernard and they are top 20.

Besides, only one man beat Gene Tunney...

 

Blimey you're up early!

 

I don't really get the point of the Anti-Greb threads, with seemingly the whole point being that he sucks because his fighting style looks wack? Have people never heard of the expression "The record speaks for itself"?

If I showed you fight footage of a boxer fighting with one arm behind his back, with his eyes closed, one on leg, but then showed he DOMINATED, PRIME versions of Duran, SRL, Hearns, Hagler, Benitez, McCallum, Whittaker, and JCC, then the conclusion you should come to isn't "everyone of those names is actually trash", it's "his fighting style is clearly more effective than I thought it was".

When you beat Tommy Gibbons, Tommy Loughran, Mike Gibbons, Maxie Rosenbloom, Tiger Flowers, Gene Tunney and ****ing Mickey Walker, the record quite simply speaks for itself. What one think of his fighting style is irrelevant.