How do people view Porters loss to Brook?

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  1. renyo

    renyo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    To me there should have been multiple warnings and eventually deductions for the excessive holding. I've heard people praise Brook for the performance, but to me it was nothing more than snatch and grab everytime Porter got within distance.

    Am i overlooking things here? Has todays boxing turned a blind eye to the blatant foul that is excessive holding?
     
  2. devon2

    devon2 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I actually agree. There was A LOT of holding. Way too much. People seem to give Brook a pass because of Porters rushing style though.
     
  3. renyo

    renyo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yea, why does it get so overlooked? Is this generally accepted as a tactic or game plan now? Are headbutts and elbows the next big strategy?
     
  4. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    Boxing fans will be hypocrites.

    Some more than others.

    I know Muhammad Ali didn't get too many warnings, point deductions, or DQ's and he is praised heavily by most so I know Kelly Brook wasn't going to get any.

    Honestly, though, people who criticize holding likely don't like any fighters because they all do it. And they have likely never put on the gloves. Because otherwise they'd know the nature of the beast.

    Boxers nowadays are just inferior inside fighters to decades past.
     
  5. devon2

    devon2 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I think holding can be criticized when it neutralizes all/most offense. Look at Klitschko, it's almost as if sometimes he holds because he doesn't want to fight at all.
     
  6. punisher

    punisher Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Solid win for Brook. Tough loss for Porter. It was competitive. But, the cleaner work easily goes to Brook. A referee who despises clinching might change the outcome of this fight though. Porter is relentless. And it's not Brook's power that was keeping him at bay. It was the tactical use of the clinch.

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  7. devon2

    devon2 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Agreed. Reminded me a little bit of how Holyfield used the clinch over Tyson and Mosley over Margarito,
     
  8. Mexi-Box

    Mexi-Box Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    I can understand criticism for holding, but Brook still beat him. I think it shows Porter's level. He's not the kind of fighter that will be #1 or even top 10 in a very good era. This would be a devastating loss for Thurman, but it'd make Brook look that much better.
     
  9. punisher

    punisher Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Exactly.

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  10. Nonito Smoak

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    Boxers always used to clinch. They would just get worked trying to do so.

    Almost nobody nowadays can fight in a clinch, nor fight to get out of one.

    And it really doesn't make too much sense. Spar. There are ways around it. There are things any sized man can do to get the advantage in a clinch.

    The guy "holding" certainly isn't punching when he's initiating that move.

    But I know not all clinches are created equal (Klitschko).
     
  11. renyo

    renyo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Some clinching is gonna be accepted. But it's the excessive part that comes in to play, where does it become too much?

    If Porter was to fight back dirty, with a little more mauling,head rubbing and or butting, elbows,pushing I'm sure there would have been some warnings and a lot of fans complaining.
    I also think a different ref could have changed the outcome of what was still a very close fight. I personally don't hold that loss against him, but more a bit of a victim of circumstances that night.
     
  12. MidniteProwler

    MidniteProwler Fab 4. Mayor of Aussie Boxing Full Member

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    Brook fought a smart fight, apart from clinching he was also landing the cleaner shots.
     
  13. Stallion

    Stallion Son of Rome Full Member

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    Not even Porter's father had him winning 9 rounds. In fact, he is probably aware that Brook outclassed his son.
     
  14. N17

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    Yes Brook was holding but Porter was leaping in trying to maul, go back and watch when and how the holding took place.

    I don't like holding, wrestling, jab and grab tactics, they infuriate me but Porter tried to maul and brawl and Brook didn't allow him to.

    If you watch Hatton Vs Mayweather and watch the referee not allowing Hatton to maul and brawl then go and watch Porter Vs Brook, Porter uses the same sort of tactics as Hatton tried to use but was allowed to do it, it all depends on the referee.
     
  15. N17

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    If you had Porter winning 9 rounds in the Brook fight then I strongly advise you ask a few of the educated boxing fans on here to explain to you how the scoring system works.

    That is the most outrageous, ridiculous and clueless score I have seen regarding that fight.