How do some fighters learn so quickly and become world class

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  1. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    In my other thread, I questioned whether one could train for a few months and become good enough to beat a world champion, Michael Spinks. The consensus was no.

    Then I thought about Marciano. He turned pro at 25 and had only a few amateur fights and went on to defeat the top heavies of his day that had boat loads more experience. I don't think anyone would think it past the realm of possibility that he could have handled Michael Spinks.


    Billy Conn turned pro at 16 with no amateur background to speak of. He lost his first few pro fights, as would be expected. But he picked up the sport and became a world champion.

    Pinklon Thomas was another one with like 2 amateur fights and became a pretty decent world class heavyweight who could have been even better had he avoided drugs.

    If a 25 year old with no boxing/martial arts experience entered a gym and wanted to learn to box, very few, especially on this forum would give him a chance to go anywhere far in the sport at a world level, let alone go on to be one of the greatest of all time as did Marciano.

    Depending on when you think Liston was born, he may have been well into his 20s, maybe older, when he picked up the sport.
     
  2. Boxed Ears

    Boxed Ears this my daddy's account (RIP daddy) Full Member

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    When you look at Foreman and the amount of time between never boxing and gold medal and then gold medal to heavyweight championship, it's actually just bizarre. It helps that some of these guys have absolutely freakish, flukish traits. Foreman's overall physical strength is maybe more impressive than any HW champion's. Marciano's combination of strength and stamina was absurd. Conn's Irishness was one of the most Irish for his time, p4p. And Thomas? The guy was the GOAT singer of his time, and nobody even understood then how much the laryngealis temporomandibumandingolumas muscle played so much a role in fighting.
     
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  3. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 Mauling Mormon’s banned Full Member

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    Good teachers
     
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  4. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member

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    I'm gonna take a real wild stab in the dark and go with......not all people are created the same.
     
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  5. thistle

    thistle Boxing Junkie

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    a 'Natural'

    some people are just naturally gifted, be it strength, athletic finese, tough, durable, fit, quick learners, driven, committed to instuction and invested with a passion & love for their trade.

    that is why the Bussiness of Sport is sometimes unforgivable,

    I saw a few talented kids come & go, where finacially stable homes & family clout got 'lesser' talents 'in' and others not. Partisan, Nepotism, including Who you know, Investment, Nationalism, Chance - right place at the right time, luck and last of all is Skillfully making it.

    it is not an equal opportune world, but back to the original question, a combination of the affore mentioned attributes, it's not a secret potion type thing.

    Loads & loads of natural talent in this world.
     
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  6. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member

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    Innate talent in most cases,plus the luck of having good people to bring you along.Serendipity also plays a part ie when do you get to fight these top heavies,ie are they prime or past their prime?
    Boxing is predicated on the system that age gives way to youth,the King is dead long live the King,and nowhere is the adage," you can't beat Father Time ,"more ruthlessly demonstrated than between the ropes of a boxing ring.
     
  7. FThabxinfan

    FThabxinfan Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Good luck and talent like most people said.

    However,some weren't so lucky, Tapia had to be whipped everytime he loses,despite the fact that he's a natural.
     
  8. Dorrian_Grey

    Dorrian_Grey It came to me in a dream Full Member

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    For most people, the time-frame where they are really learning to fight is as children and especially during their mid-teens. A lot of neural pathways are being formed during our formative years and the sooner someone learns proper fighting technique, the better ingrained it is in them. As we get older, our brains lose a lot of neuroplasticity, which means that we struggle to pick up new talents and skills a lot more than we do as children. It's why it's much harder to learn a language at 70 than it is at 7, and it's similar for combat sports. If you start late you will have a very hard time picking up things as basic as even throwing a jab with proper technique and having that be something you can do instinctively. That's why it's very rare to see fighters who are naturally talented enough to the point where their inexperience and late start can be overcome and they reach championship level in spite of it. These types of fighters are very much outliers.
     
  9. Reinhardt

    Reinhardt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    #1, Being Active and learning your craft, as Ray Arcel said to rest is to rust
     
  10. HistoryZero26

    HistoryZero26 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    This is called being a prodigy. This is typically associated with being younger when you absorb information faster but it makes sense a limited number of adults retain this. But in both instances this does not mean the prodigy is better than non prodigys though it means they get to the top level quicker. They are better at learning not at doing what they are doing.

    An example of this that stands out is in chess. Joseph Blackburne is the only top chess player to ever pick up chess as an adult(though a young one) and become one of the best players in a few months. This is something thats otherwise been considered impossible. Despite ascending to the top quicker then anyone in history he was never the worlds best player peaking at 2nd. What set him apart? He wasn't the most talented chess player ever(except in the UK). But he learned the game easier then anyone.
     
  11. greynotsoold

    greynotsoold Boxing Addict

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    Foreman was a heavyweight, Marciano was a heavyweright. In my opinion that was always the easiest division- if easiest is the correct word- to be successful in, as the skill level is markedly lower than in other divisions. And Marciano had Goldman.
    Genaro Hernandez had 15 amateur fights but he had a trainer that was gifted in that area- his brother Rudy who has gone on to become one of the top trainers of his era. And he had access to lots of good sparring in LA.
     
  12. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    Yeah Foreman was another one who picked up the sport relatively late, being 18 or 19. With about 20 or so amateur fights he won an Olympic gold medal and turned pro and not only was successful, but an ATG who on his best night, could arguably beat any heavyweight in history (with Ali being an exception).
     
  13. greynotsoold

    greynotsoold Boxing Addict

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    If you are going to be a one trick pony it is best to be a full sized horse.
     
  14. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 Mauling Mormon’s banned Full Member

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    :lol:
     
  15. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 Mauling Mormon’s banned Full Member

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    I'm positive a super athlete like Charlie Powel would lose to Jerry Quarry. Didn't Jake Paul beat a super athlete NBA guy? - boxing is a different sport, needs different gifts and all at the top are GIFTED make no mistake.... but what makes the best the best is an imagination and a great teacher when it comes to boxing, there are endless men of violence probably as capable as say Foreman but they didn't have Archie Moore or a "creative" side to them.
     
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