Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Fergy, May 3, 2021.
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He makes a good point. Ali in his later career too a hell of a lot of punishment.
I mean, that's probably WHY we talk about how PROVEN his chin is. He was shipping horrendous punishment from guys like Frazier and Shavers,
I have to remind people time to time
I am not going to call Marciano the greatest defensive fighter of all time, but he knew how to slip, bob and weave. If you compare punishment taken with Ali vs Marciano over the course of there runs, Marciano took less punishment than Ali. As said before, as great as Ali was, his 2nd half he was pretty much a punching bag. You can not confuse greatness with defensive ability. When he had his speed, he could get out of the way in a flash, once that left him in his comeback, he did not have the skills to pull a Archie Moore in avoided punishment.
Yes, we can Ali has fought much bigger guys more consistently in his career. Not only that he has fought Legendary punchers from True Heavy's. Liston, Frazier, Foreman, Shavers and Lyle, and only one put him down. I highly doubt Marciano would survive fights with all 5 of them and if he did he goes down quite a few times against a few of them. I see absolutely no way he survives Foreman.
Marciano took less punishment because Marciano fought far less quality opposition, almost singularly old, smaller fighters and featherfisted no-hopers.
Facing Norton three times surpasses Marciano's opposition, let alone the addition of Liston, Frazier x3, Foreman, Shavers, Lyle, Foster, Quarry x2, Patterson x2...
Even the most generous estimation of Marciano's career has him facing (what in his day was considered) elite opposition for 4 years and 14 fights. Before that, he was strictly a circuit attraction.
Ali fought in the elite ranks for 16 years and 45 fights, even considering his lay off.