How do you crack the Turtle Shell?

Very simple . . . keep punching even if it hits him in the arms, gloves and side of the body. Keep punching and keep moving so he can't set up counters.

It's gonna be a hell of a boring fight . . . but in the end you'll win by points. :yep It's impossible for the opponent to win if he wasn't able to tag you with a single punch.

 

That was a perfect example Cotto vs Abdullaev, if Tito Trinidad have fought backwards "someting i think he cant do" against Winky he will have give Winky problems and besides it will have meake Winky look like a dumbass because he doesnt like offense and doesnt like to chase people around the ring....good post!!!!!:happy

 

That turtle is a "bully". lol

 

LOL that is funny

 

Miranda was landing some tough body shots against Abraham the other night, but then came round #4. Pavlik will go for some serious body work early and often.

 

neither of those fighters fight like abraham or winky

 

That was one beautifull body shot. :cry:. Absolutely beautifull.

 

Now to answer the question of "how to crack do you crack the turtle shell"? Simple, misdirection. Show some big dogs up top and then some straight pullets down the pipe, prefferably to the solar plexus. Should usualy attempted later into the fight when a bit of fatigue has set in and then it has the power to change the outcome of the fight.

Jim Corbett vs Bob Fitzsimmons some time around 1900, if anyone would like to know how it was done correctly. Misdirection that is.

This is where miranda went wrong (we are talkin about the AA v Miranda fight arent we?). He should have known about AA's power and not have opened up so early whith those loopedy ****ers. Just bad ring smarts is all.

 

Very good thread here, and I agree with most of the points: movement, angles, body shots to lower the hands.

I will throw in a comment on this example. Abdullaev really isn't a good example of what I consider the "Turtle Defense," and what I mean is that, yes, he had high guard, but was very offensive minded, not a turtle shell defensive fighter like Clottey or say Paolo Vidoz. I wouldn't say his style was "******ed," he was very aggressive, but Cotto was simply the sharper, stronger fighter, Abdullaev lost due to this fact, not due to a strategic blunder.

 

Possibly due to the fact that Cotto had him coming forward since Miguel was the one Back peddling. Either way, its more economical to back peddle against a Turtle style. It causes them to shift their game a bit more offensively and opens them up to get hit a bit more.

 

When Tito was at 147lbs in his early days he often circled his opponents and sometimes took steps backwards waiting to counter punch, It was because he was the bigger stronger man the majority of the time at 147lbs.

This is another good example but quite different. Tito didn't get hit nearly as much at 147lbs as he did at 160lbs. Why because at 147lbs he could just play the counter puncher and KO guys and he didn't have to stalk them at all, the smaller guys came to him, and thus got ktfo. At the heavier weights he had to impose his attack and open up more offensively. It turned him into a stalker and an offense only defense never type of fighter. (he pretty much always was offense only lol, but there was a very very slight change to his approach in the ring between those 2 weights.)

 

Very true, using angles and lateral movement with a high workrate would work, along with mixing up the punches mainly to the body to get the fighter to drop his guard

 

Hey emmanuel, that you in the picture with green?