How do you define a prospect?

Gamboas skills are undeniable. He has blown guys out and you speak as though Jimenez was a bum. He was an experienced fighter who had fought much more experienced competition than Gamboa and had fought world class fighters. He got thoroughly outboxed by a kid with 9 fights. How many prospects have there been in the history of the sport that could do that?

 

Gamboas skills are undeniable. He has blown guys out and you speak as though Jimenez was a bum. He was an experienced fighter who had fought much more experienced competition than Gamboa and had fought world class fighters. He got thoroughly outboxed by a kid with 9 fights. How many prospects have there been in the history of the sport that could do that?

 

Lots of talent/skills and have not had a WBA, WBC, IBF or WBO tittle shot

 

That was just an answer to this part of thread; "Of course in Gamboa's case he is right on the verge of contender or may even be there with a minimul amount of fights because of the quality of opposition."


Jimenez is not a bum yet he is not a B+ fighter either. You expect Gamboa to really dominate this guy because of his vast amateur experience plus the skill that he was showing (what I did not expect was thathe would be KDed). Gamboa has the potential because it is obviously there to see. But to claim that he had quality opposition is entiirely erroneous. I do not hold that against Gamboa because afterall it is his 10th professional fight only.

Gamboa had more fights than Jimenez could ever dream of (evenif it was amateur fights). To say that he was outboxby someone with only 9 fights is totall wrong.

His resume is no better than any young prospect like AJ banal, Khan.

 

What is wrong is the assumption that he has only 9 fights because he doesnot qualify as such. True that he outboxed him but h is not really your run of the mill rpospect with a 9-0 record. This kid had been fighting for more than 10 years probably. You can not have a 400+ amateur boxing career if you just started 5 years ago. Even against amateur, that is a very extensive experience.

Same can be said when Casamayor came out of boxing who is exactly not an amateur. Eve compared probably to the likes of FMJ or RJJ, who had stellar amateur boxing backgrounds, Gamboa had 4-5 times the amateur experience compred to these two. So he is not a spring chicken because he had already the skillset needed in professional boxing.

 

Factor in Age, skill level and competition level and thats how I define a prospect.

 

A prospect is a young fighter who appears to have all the tools, but has yet to face and defeat the solid gate keepers in his division.

 

lets stick to the topic and not gamboa:yep

question 1: does donaire classify as a prospect before darchinyan? cause he was relatively unknown and nobody talks about him before then

question 2: does having a lose as a prospect erases you from being a prospect? example andy lee, would he still be consider as a prospect same as katsidis?

 

I dont think there is a strict formula but I tend to consider the following;

Age;
Experience;
Skills;
Ability to improve;
Level of opposition.

So for example, Gamboa is a prospect but I also consider Koki Kameda to be a prospect too based on the above.

 

The same reasoning could be said of this 19 year old Banal. In his last fight, he KOed the previously undefeated Caril Herrera (21-0). He won against Juan Alberto Rosas (25-2), Ali Rochmad (13-0). These record may seem impressive but I have to accept that these are nowhere near worldclass opposition. Likewise, let us not make Jimenez bigger than hat he is.

By the way try to count how many fighters did Jimenez win against boxers with a winning record . I do not know about partying, drinking etc., but the obvious pattern is he losses to fighters with a winning record.

 

i think my question no.2 depends on the style of the prospect. Katsidis i doubt will learn how to time and box:yep

and donaire was looked by a lot as just some can darchinyan will toy and bully around with

 

Well here's how I'd answer those questions.

1- Donaire was a prospect before Darchinyan. As for whether he's still a prospect now is up to your interpretation of "prospect". To me he can still be considered a prospect, although I wouldn't necessarily refer to him as one.

2-Depends on who you lose to. If you're like Andy Lee and you lose to Brian Vera, you're still a prospect. Katsidis lost to Casamayor in a title bout...I don't view him as a prospect anymore.