How do you feel about Roy jones?

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This is exactly what I am talking about.

 

I feel ... he is getting old

 

As for Jones himself, no doubt a supremely gifted athlete, but NO great boxer. A proven drug cheat, which in anyone other than pathetic fanboys MUST count against him.

The excuse mongers will always scream like stuck pigs, but the reality is ATG fighters simply don't get starched the way Jones does, as often as he has been.

This has got nothing to do with his age, but everything to do with the fact that his athleticism can no longer protect his glass jaw, and hasn't been able to since he was in his mid 30's.

So NO, he should never be considered as an ATG by anyone other than his ridiculous fanboys.

 

Don't bother even trying to explain why HBO dumped him.

His fanboys simply won't believe you.

He must hold the record for broken down negotiations, even worse than Arum.

 

Olympic "silver" medalist in one of the most blatant robberies of all time.
Former MW-SMW-LHW-HW world Champion
Ring Magazine fighter of the Decade
Reigning P4P greatest fighter for the better part of a decade.
Beat 2 fellow ATG fighters with ease.
Knocked out a now official HOF boxer, with a single body shot, in his 3rd weight up.
Didn't lose for real until age 35 after 50 fights.. If not for being Disqualified he would likely have been 50-0.. that is an entire career.. Joe Calzaghe didn't fight that many times.

Roy simply stuck around too long, many great fighters have stayed too long and got beat by people they would have wiped the floor with.

His credentials speak for themelves.. You may not like him, but he is ATG. As a matter of fact, there are people that hate Roy Jones that still rank him.. not just fanboys.

 

So then what difference does it make what he said if he actually negotiated and agreed to fight him?

 

you don't think that Tarver was Lineal after beating Johnson in the second fight? i do.

if you go down the Gonzales/ Erdei path, you get nowhere. Erdei did nothing back then after beating Gonzales.

i know a lot of people won't agree with this but, i saw the Lineal title as vacant when DM was beaten. i mean, can you really call Gonzales the champ with Jones in the division? Jones had clearly beat him not long before that. then Erdei comes along, wins, then does absolutely nothing.

when both Johnson and Tarver had beaten Jones, their fight was for the vacant Lineal championship for me. it's the only way to make sense of the rankings. the other way leads to nothing but a dead end.

Jones was the number 1, but i didn't see Tarver as number 2. yes, Jones had beaten Gonzales not long before, but Tarver hadn't. so i see Gonzales as number 2. it didn't make him the man after beating DM, but he at least was the number 2. that's only fair. the amount of titles you have doesn't really come into it. you know that. that win for Gonzales was still better than anything that Tarver had done regardless of DM being on the slide. that was DM's first loss. so it does mean something because DM was still the champ at that time.

i have no problem with you believing that Tarver was better than Gonzales/DM at that time, it still doesn't put him above Gonzales after his win.

how many fighters in each division can you see that are ranked lower than fighters that they'ed be favoured to beat clearly if they were to fight? there's loads. but you have to beat them first to climb the ranks. so i see where you're coming from.

i saw Jones as the man even before the first fight with Tarver. when DM was beaten, Jones became the number 1.
Tarver should have got the win first time round, but he didn't. so yeah, Jones was still the man until the second Tarver fight. on paper.

we all know that Tarver won and became the man in the first though.

 

ah, forget this ****. atsch

 

I really have no interest in your fanboyism, as you are another idiot who wants to sweep the steroid issue under the carpet.

But for the sake of debating list all ( say ) DeLaHoya's amatuer, and professional credentials, then come back and tell me how wonderful Jones is.

As for your reference to Joe Calzaghe, he stands at 46 - 0, and NO ONE ever nearly decapitated him like Lebedev left the muppet Jones asleep for minutes.

Get one thing in your brain, if everyone had fvcked off home, and left the fool there on the canvas, he would still have been asleep when the cleaners ( janitors ) opened up in the morning.

That is how much of an ATG that glass chinned tosser is.

 

best of his era

history will be kind to RJJ i think

 

Wow..

I just simply listed Roy's factual credentials..

They obviously anger you, as you went off on me like an angry drunk..

I have never considered you a good poster, I was obviously reaching when thinking I could have a boxing discussion with you.

Your agenda and hate is perfectly displayed above.

 

No, I considered Erdei lineal, as I considered DM lineal, but the man is not always the lineal champ... In this case, Jones and Tarver were the man, DM and Erdei were lineal..

I agree, I think that line totally lost credibility after Gonzalez beat a past it DM, but it was still there.

I agree that DM's claim to being the man went away when Gonzalez beat him, but Jones beat WBC and WBA world champion Tarver shortly after this, making Roy clearly the man..

It wasn't for any type of unification for me.. As Tarver beat the man in Jones, Johnson had only won a vacant title against Woods, Tarver was clearly the man.. There was no dispute..

I think we are splitting hairs here pal.. I am just stating that Roy was the man after he beat Tarver, and was a legit LHW champ as was Hopkins.. Which was the only thing I was refuting in the first place.

Gonzo had a good close win over shot DM for the WBO and lineal title.. But I didn't at all dispute Roy's claim as the man in the division, defeating WBA and WBC world champion Tarver, and the fact that Roy already held a win over Gonzo, it was not disputed.

The fact of the matter was, the man to beat in the division was former WBA world HW champ Roy Jones, who dropped down and won back major belts vs. Tarver after DM was defeated.. The new lineage started with Roy Jones, it is simply not fair to me to call Tarver, Johnson, Hopkins and Calzaghe legit LHW champs if Roy was not one.

 

What alt have I made up?

 

CJOtown - clearly either you or your boyfriend Mind Reader - all identical posting style and butthurt.

 

Are you trolling or being serious?

I can't tell on here anymore.

Roy had superior footwork. It seems absolutely obvious to me. Joe as great as he was, didn't have Roy's reflexes, and he was always relatively easy to hit, especially with a right hand.

Joe's hands were fast, but he didn't have Roy's power or shot variation. Roy threw double hooks, lead uppercuts, and went to the body.

Their fight in 2008 was pointless. We all know what Joe thought about Roy.

Speaking about Tarver in 2004, Joe said "Tarver's done nothing, apart from beat a past his best Roy Jones."

In Joe's 2007 autobiography he said "Roy Jones was a great fighter, but he's not anymore, and a fight between us would be POINTLESS!

Then early in 2008, live on Setanta Sports, he said "Roy's no longer great, and I'd be DISAPPOINTED if he was to be my last fight."

So what more needs to be said?

Roy was dominated and destroyed by Glen Johnson, FOUR YEARS before he fought Joe.

He suffered back to back knockouts in 2004, so who gives a **** what happened in 2008?

If Glen Johnson knocked Roy cold at 35, then what's the big deal about Joe beating him on points when he was 9 weeks from 40?

Joe didn't want Roy when Roy was prime. He knew what his capabilities were, and he was afraid of flying.

But once Roy was finished at elite level, and he was safe to fight, he had no problems going to the airport.

Regarding their age, Joe was 36, and Roy was nearly 40. That's not a huge difference in age, but Roy had got a lot more miles on the clock. He'd fought more times, and he'd been up to HW and back. Going into the fight with Joe, Roy hadn't won at elite level for 5 years. Joe was clearly in better condition.

Joe was a great fighter, but you've got to be on mind bending drugs if you seriously think that Joe could have beaten a peak version of Roy.