How do you feel about Roy jones?

He said on numerous occasions that he had no problem making 160 lbs and you have showed nothing to contradict that. All I am seeing here is your opinions

So?

You stop growing after puberty finishes. The frame you have at 20 is the frame you have for the rest of your life and during his early 20's Jones was fighting as low as 154 lbs.

Obviously not true, seeing as how he told the USA network commentators that making 160 lbs for the Tate fight was no problem

His trainer obviously thought he was ok making mw:

Roy Jones Jr. - 05.24.93 - SI Vault

Hopkins I: He said he was comnfortable making mw and planned to stay there for a while
Malinga: Said he planned to defend his belt 3 times at mw
Garcia: Said he had no problem making 160 for Tate
Toney I: came into the ring at 174 lbs

And bizzarely enough he said he was prepared to drop from 175 lbs to fight Oscar at 160 lbs

After nailing Virgil Hill, Roy Jones wants a big-bank shot

Is that why he was only 174 lbs for a smw fight?

This is just your opinion.

The fact is no case can be made that he ever struggled to make the mw limit. You want that to be true so you can justify the fact that Jones did not fight any of the big names at mw.

 

And how do you know what it was worth to Jones? You don't know him

Post Toney, Jones fought nothing but low risk opponents. McCallum was just another low risk opponent, but in a higher weight class

So did Lonnie Bradley a fighter he wanted to fight

Jones' Challenge Is Accepted _ Maybe

You have no problem with Jones fighting guys like Brannon, Lucas and Thorton but you want to make a big deal out of the fact that Hopkins was fighting a division below?

This is just your opinion and yes there was big money on the table for that fight.
Hopkins-Jones was a fight Dibella had desperately wanted to make for years.

?????
1: It would of been for Jones's IBF smw title
2: There was no title on the line when the Jones-McCallum fight was made, but you have no problem with that

1: There were better fights to be made at smw
2: He said himself after the McCallum fight that he wanted to go back to smw, but Liles and Collins had rejected his "big money offers" so he decided to stay at lhw. In other words the McCallum fight was just another low risk fight at a higher weight like the Sosa and Malinga fights
source: Pre fight talk for Griffin I

 

Obvious to who?

He refused to fight Hill late 96

Me and Mr. Jones

The Cyber Boxing Zone

-Tiozzi moved up to cw.
-Maske retired.
-DM never fought outside of Germany.

So what "best" are you talking about? Montell Griffin?

Of course it makes a difference. It shows that you claiming Jones fought McCallum for a belt was just another of your unfounded opinions, of which you have waaaay to many.

 

In his heyday, he should have worn a cape in the ring... he was that good.

Now though, he needs to call it a day.

Also... after last night he won't be getting the Anderson Silva fight we've heard so much about!

 

So let me get this straight, we should just accept everything the Levin's say without question?

A thread in which I noticed you ignored every fact you didn't like

So we should just accept everything Team Jones says without question and just ignore every disenting point of view?
Can you not see how biased you are?

Your making this up

Jones vs Benn part 1:

Jones:
Reason 1:

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4161/is_19960114/ai_n9700832/pg_2/?tag=content;col1

In the same article Warreen would state that there had been no contact between the camps
No argument can be made that Jones's account is more reliable that Warreen's either

(same link as above)

Reason 2:

http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/box996x.htm

 

Reason 3:

(link dead)
Reason 4:
During the smw programme Jones would place all the blame on Warreen. Claiming that Warreen did not want to bring the smw fighters to America and that he was not willing to come to England under Warreen's terms.

That's four complete different accounts for why the Benn fight did not happen, but I notice you like to ignore that fact. Warreen disagrees with Jones's first account, but you ignore that also.

Jones has disqualified himself as a reliable source

 

The Levins

Reason 1 :
King wants options on Jones
Problem 1:

The Levins are on record stating that there were willing to work with King on numerous occasions

June 26, 1995

BOXING; Garden Seeks Jones And He Is After Tyson

June 26, 1995

Does Jones have heavier aspirations

June 24, 1995

JONES SHOULD PAINT PAZIENZA ON CANVAS

September 06, 1996

Jones to Put Title on the Line at the Garden

So they are telling one set of reporters that they cannot work with King and another set that they can

 

Reason 2:

October 19, 1995

MONTEL SHOW FOR ROY

This explanation is at complete odds with his first explanation. Jones has given 4 conflicting accounts and the Levins have given 2 conflicting accounts and these are the guys you insist on believing without question.


Team Benn:
-Benn fought McCellan because King promised the winner of that fight a shot a Jones
-Benn would call Jones out through out 95 and King would give interivews stating that he was willing to sit down wih the Levins
-Early 96 Wareen would say that neither Him, King or Benn had had any contact with the Jones camp

You ignore their account, but side with a team that has now given a total of 5 conflicting accounts.

 

Jones vs Benn part 2:

There were plenty of fights to get made from 95-96, but Jones refused to make any them

Nunn?
Not getting paid enough
Collins?
I want 5m for that fight
Hill?
Not getting paid enough
Littles?
Turned it down
Brewer
His a nobody. True, but he was better than Brannon and Thornton

Cordoba? Rochigianni? Hopkins? Liles?

Toney would report how unhappy HBO were

Early 96

The Dark Trade page 357

And this is the problem with the King options explanation. If it was really true then why did he refuse to make fights with fighters not associated with King? The simple fact is that it didn't matter if you were with King or not

 

Jones would admit himself that he wasn't interested in fighting name fighters:

Boxing's Mantle--What Is Roy Jones' Legacy

Seth Abraham would state that Jones made no effort to make the big fight happen at smw:

(same link as above)

Fred Levin would state that their intention was to fight the Thornton's of the world

Jones Easily Tames 'Pazmanian Devil'

 

Seth Abraham (HBO)

Stubborn Jones Still Believes

Jones says something similiar here:

Early 96

The Dark Trade page 357

A good case could be made that he was worried about getting brain damaged, like McClellan, so he decided not to take the fight and used King as a scapegoat

The only way you can put the blame on King is to ignore every single fact that you don't like and if you do that then you should just admit that you are a very biased Roy Jones fan, which you clearly are.

 

You don't know what you are talking about

Liles

HBO saw Jones as a reluctant fighter
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JI6sLxYX6yM
Go to 8:15

This was because he had refused to mix it up with the more dangerous opponents at mw like: Jackson, McClellan and R.Johnson
They thought he had changed after beating Toney, which is why they were so happy to give him a HBO contract and after that they expected him to start giving them a lot of high risk fight, but that is not what happened. instead Jones fought a bunch of nobodies and HBo would admit how unhappy they were:

Brannon First, Then Jones Can Chase Greatness

Jones Gives Lessons In and Out Of the Ring


Seth Abraham would order the pre-fight talk for the Brannon fight so Jones could answer his growing number of critics about his lacklustre opponents, this was around the time Jones decided to ackowledge a fighter he had been ignoring for 1.5 years. A fighter called Frankie Liles

 

Liles had been calling out Jones since late 94.
source: post fight talk for Liles-Nunn

Roach had been calling his house in the hopes of making the Liles fight:

Me and Mr. Jones
John Scully would say it was a fight he was not keen on

Reality Check Roy Jones Never Ducked Joe Calzaghe

Liles himself would say in a recent interview that Jones did not want to fight him because of his style
Bravo show
Go to the 1 hr 7 min mark (on youtube)
(Jones managed to "miss" every tall rangy southy before he ended up facing the ordinary Harding who he struggled greatly against)

 

Either way With Hbo on his case Jones decided to make the fight or at least make it look like he tried to make the fight

The Cyber Boxing Zone

Rich Thomas would report that Liles turned the fight down because he was unhappy with the purse split:

'Fabulous' Frankie Liles Champion Boxer Turned MMA Trainer


Lets take a look at Jones's purse splits:
The purse for the following fights were 2.5m

Brannon: 250K
Thornton:250k
Sosa: 300K
Frazier: 350

The purse for the Jones-Harmon fight was 4.5m

Harmon: 500k

So you are looking at 90-10% type purse splits. Jones's purse splits were always terrible and I think its say to assume also that he kept all of the money from the site fee/gate recipts, international tv rights to himself also


Sources:
Brannon's Early Charge Falls Short The Trenton Challenger Wasted Little Time Going After Roy Jones Jr. But Jones Was In A Hurry, Too.

Thornton Will Seek Huge Upset Tonight Roy Jones Jr. Is A 30-1 Favorite In His Florida Hometown

Sports _ Roy Jones Jr.'S Punching Barrage Halts Sosa In 2Nd

BOXING; Policeman Hoping for The Best Vs. Jones

USATODAY.com - Jones will fight unheralded foe.


So its really no surprise that Liles turned the fight down. At the Brannon talk Jones would state that Liles turned down his "big money offer"


It should also be pointed out that Levin's version of events is at complete odds with Jones's own account.

 

ALL of his lhw opposition from 1996-2002 were b-c level.

So I will post up this quote again

Brannon First, Then Jones Can Chase Greatness