How do you feel about Roy jones?

even though i ignore your posts these days, i see you falling over yourself again here...

you're saying that Roy didn't want the Eubank fight because he'd rather unify?

right?

but the Hill fight wasn't to unify was it?

forget what plans Roy had before Hill lost to DM. the fact is, Hill didn't have a title. so you can't put your own little spin on things like you always do by saying the fight made no sense because Eubank didn't have a title, because Hill didn't either.

and yes, the Eubank fight would have been much bigger with more money involved.

 

hay, man.

he beat Tarver for it.

i didn't see Tarver as the lineal champ when he beat Jones. he was the number 1, but not lineal.

but, when Johnson beat Jones as well, he became the number 2 in the division. so when 1 and 2 (Tarver/Johnson) faced off, it was then for the recognised championship.

 

it's a good job he didn't then. because it would have been a hideous ranking.

 

Same way i feel about lance Armstrong and Ben Johnson

 

Would've been huge over there!

 

Calzaghe fight being referred to in that link...

 

Eubank was still big news when he was losing: youtube.com/watch?v=50BW7EuXuOs

Fighting Jones would've filled an outdoor stadium with boxing fanatics and drew the general Britsh public to gather (tens of millions) to watch on PPV, as well as all the US sports fans who followed Jones on HBO.

It would've been big. Bigger than fellow loser Virgil Hill. End of.

 

It was for the WBA belt, to go with his WBC belt.

Fighting for a second major belt was bigger than fighting the likes of Eubank. I was a fan of Eubank's, but the timing was wrong, just like Collins at 175.

 

No he didn't!

We've been here a thousand times.

Prove it!

 

Again, you've no perspective. You're only looking from Eubank's and his fans perspective.

 

We all know why you ignore my posts.

You haven't even read what I've wrote.

What do you mean, forget what plans he had?

Ha!

Read this carefully.

AT THE TIME of Eubank wanting the fight, Roy was preparing to fight Griffin early in 1997, and then Hill was next on his list.

Did he end up unifying against Hill?

No he didn't.

Because he was stupid against Griffin, and then while he was preparing for the rematch, DM got to Hill first.

We know what ended up happening.

But from Roy's perspective in 97, defending against Griffin, and getting a shot at Hill's belts after, was a bigger, more important fight.

How could a Eubank fight have been bigger to Roy himself?

Yes, they might have been more interest, with lots of Brits interested.

But look at the facts.

Again, at the time, Roy was looking to take Hill's belts after Griffin.

A potential fight for the WBA and the IBF fights to unify, was a bigger fight than fighting Eubank, for no titles.

How hard is that to understand?

 

The guy was basically a fraud who got everything handed to him as a pro. He got to hand pick opponents and juice with impugnity(sp) while extorting HBO for top dollar paydays. He is still stealing from HBO this very day with his mumbling, babbling borderline coherent colour commentary.

Over the past decade he has t arnished his carefully orchestrated legacy and is declining on a weekly basis before our collective eyes and if you ask me it could not have happened to a more deserving guy. I am counting the days until this same process starts to envelope Mayweather. Because we all know the long term *****'s are fans that jumped off the RJJ bandwagon.

Don't look over your shoulders *****s...

 

It's a shame in a way that Eubank took the Calzaghe fight, because he was planning to fight Dariusz M after Mark Prince (Eubanks original opponent for the Oct '97 comeback - Calzaghe's orig opponent was Collins), and would've held the WBA, IBF and WBO titles after beating Dariusz. I guess then, though, Eubank wouldn't have even wanted the Jones fight, and would've tried for Collins III, a bigger money fight than Jones.

Why did Jones want Eubank in '99 (groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en-GB#!search/eubank$20money$20jones/rec.sport.boxing/X6gRcNpYSbI/j7wdqMYFbyAJ) if he was so intent on legacy and belts or whatever? Money is your answer, the same reason he wanted Buster Douglas instead of mandatory (and legit-chance-of-outboxing-and-beating-him) Nunn. Otherwise, he'd have been looking for the lineal ('Real') light-heavy champ Dariusz M.

 

Tarver was never lineal.. But he was the man, for beating the man Roy Jones.

It seems unfair to me that you give Hopkins credit for being a legit LHW champ for beating Tarver but not Roy.

Roy and Tarver were also 1 and 2 when Roy beat him...

No one in their right mind didn't consider Roy the man at LHW when Tarver knocked him out... That line went Jones-Tarver-Johnson-Tarver-Hopkins and retired with Calzaghe. To insist that anyone in that line was any kind of legit champ, you would have to admit it started with Jones.

Roy was a much more legit LHW champ than Hopkins, at one time Roy held every major LHW belt.. Something Hopkins never came close to doing.

 

Very true..

He recently stated it would have been suicide.:yep