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He was not far removed from some very impressive performances, sluggishness is very hard to define or attribute.

I disagree. Foreman was good at bullying smaller guys, Frazier walked right on to his power and Norton was susceptible to punchers, as his career would testify to. Those are his two career defining wins that people perpetuate the, walk down everybody myth off of. Vitali's style is nothing like either regardless.

Vitali has a very proven chin, you have really gone off of the deep end here.

Sanders was a very dangerous 3 round fighter. He was nowhere near stopping Vitali anyway.

Given the size difference, Vitali's judge of range and timing and George's complete lack of defence and wild offence, who is to say that he would even land on Vitali anyway. Every time George gets caught he would have to reset. Someone with Vitali's chin, stamina and ring generalship is a nightmare for Foreman.

 

Foreman's natural strength was negated by Ali in the clinches. Vitali is no more bulked up than George. Strength isn't the issue anyway. Chin, timing, range and punch output are the big problems for George.

Please list all of George's excellent competition in his first career.

 

lol That approach spells disaster against Vitali unless you have great technical skills to go with it and Foreman does not. Foreman, among other things, has no inside game worth speaking of. He isn't going to rough Vitali up inside, more likely the opposite.

Gregorio friggin Peralta stopped Foreman in his tracks with his punches. If Foreman charges forward, Vitali will put him on his ass or worse.

Seriously, what are you talking about? Vitali doesn't have Ali's chin? Doubtful. In fact, he may have a better chin than Ali. Vitali took shots from Lewis that would have dropped a herd of rhinos and didn't go down. He damn sure wasn't getting knocked down by people like Doug Jones and Henry Cooper. Moreover, how many shots did Foreman even land on Ali's chin? Very few, despite the fact that Ali didn't run and was right in front of him for most of the fight. Similarly, Foreman will have great difficulty landing effectively on Vitali.

Foreman's resume is absolutely stacked with no-hopers.

That's just plain fiction.

 

You tested this in a laboratory right? The problem is that Foreman's delusional fans treat this guy like he's some mythical, superhuman monster. No, George Foreman is just a man, and he's not the strongest man who ever lived. Foreman couldn't overpower Ali in the clinches, and he wouldn't overpower Vitali either.

 

You seem to not know the lead-up to the bout: Lewis was both undertrained and overconfident. And he was 37. He thought little of Vitali, who had quit with victory within his grasp.

And sluggishness, to put it one way, is very easy to see. Lewis was very sluggish.

You seem to have little grasp of Foreman. He bullied boxers or punchers alike on account of his devastating power. His puncher's success as an old man in the '90s--even against a larger breed of heavyweights--his knockout percentage and his opponents' testimony all strengthen his all-time standing.

Sanders had Vitali on ***** street several times but could not close the show. But Sanders was not a dedicated fighter, not anywhere near an all-time great. Foreman would come to Vitali like Sanders did and finish him.

You seem to automatically transpose Vitali's current success to success against the historical greats. The only time Vitali faced an all-time great, the all-time great was old, out-of-shape and overconfident. And Vitali still lost.
Say what you will, Vitali lost. He could not close out, grasp the prize, do what all-time greats do.

This, to me, puts him and his current, laudable, success in the proper perspective.

 

Tyson had problems with fighters who did not fear him or were actually top 5 guys.....hell he lost every time to them. Foreman would decimate a prime Tyson with ease, Tyson would wet his nickers before the fight.

Bottom line is Foreman beat great fighters, several of them, Tyson never beat a great fighter in his life.

 

Those uncoordinated, wild, looping power shots from Foreman aren't going to hit Tyson very clean ... at all

Tyson would be able to unload on Foreman with ease ... his crisp, compact, lightning fast combos are superior to Foreman's arm punches ... if Ron Lyle can have Foreman seriously hurt then there is no doubt that Tyson, who is a better overall puncher with at least as much power and most likely more, couldn't have hurt him.

The only thing that may change the outcome of this fight is the extent Foreman is permitted to push Tyson ... he was allowed to get away with a lot of shoving which allowed him to set up his punches and allow him to fight at his preferred range ... both guys were really not inside fighters and liked to fight at their comfort range where they could unleash their bombs ... Foreman's pushing tactics literally allowed him to dictate his fights and set the tone for them ....

 

Ali was a master of the clinch.

Knocking out all-time great Joe Frazier in two rounds can never be diminished, but, again, look at the knockout percentage and the historical perspective: after he destroyed Ken Norton, Big George was 40-0, with 37 knockouts, for a 92.50% KO percentage. Contemporary commentators were calling him the most devastating heavyweight they had ever seen. Had Ali not been around, Foreman could have ruled as long as he wanted.

Speaking of Ali, for all the praise of him as steel-chinned, he was hard-pressed to stand up under Foreman's punishment to body and head. Watch the Zaire fight and see Ali masterfully neutralize, survive and finally stop a monster.

I don't see Vitali Klitschko doing anything of the sort.

 

I have heard similar stories from both camps, neither had a perfect fight camp. Overconfident and thinking little of Vitali is completely theoretical and illogical. He was not far removed from some of his career defining fights.

Speculative, he looked similar in fights that were very early in his career and how much of Lennox's performance could you attribute to what Vitali was doing?

Foreman's first career was littered with cans and he had numerous fights where he looked less than stellar. His level of opposition was definitely no higher than Vitali's for the most part. I never debated his power or strength, he was very gifted in those area's.

This is complete fabrication, he caught him flush once. There is no definitive way to discern what makes someone an all time great and it has nothing to do with whether an opponent carries a dangerous level of power, are an awkward style match up, et cetera...You judge fights based on styles, attributes and visual evidence, not whether someone is an all time great or not, too many variables as to what that ultimately means and the era differences.

Marciano and Frazier are both Atg's, i wouldn't have a problem picking someone like Tua over both who isn't an Atg.

No not really. You seem to put a lot of stock in to something that has no bearing on the fight. As said Foreman's level of opposition in both of his careers left a lot to be desired, so basing all of your arguments off of that is very flawed. If you objectively match up their styles and attributes, then most would conclude that George would have a hard time of it.

 

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Complete myth.

Tyson beat Holmes and Spinks, who were both great fighters.

 

Mike Tyson never fought Norton

He was gone long before Tyson appeared on the scene and cut through the heavyweight division like no force in history in the past or present

 

No ****. I meant Spinks.

 

Interesting. So, Lewis gets humiliatingly KO'd in his prime but that's OK, it's forgiven. No such benefit is extended to Vitali, however.

Who the hell did Foreman ever bully except Frazier and Norton? That is the full list right there. As for KO percentage, Vitali's is STILL higher than Foreman's. And unlike Foreman, Vitali did not fight a litany of blown up cruisers and LHW bums to prop up his KO ratio.

lol So Foreman is going to switch to southpaw against Vitali? I'd like to see that.

And why don't you post of the video of where Vitali is on ***** street several times? :think

 

A large part of Foreman's knockouts were against cruiserweight BUMS.

Before Vitali's comeback in 2008, he had a grand total of 1 decision win. 35 wins, 34 stoppages, for a KO ratio of 97.14%. And this was against real heavyweights, not the cruiserweight no-hopers that Foreman fought.